My point exactly Andy.  All I want is people to back up their baseless
staments with some facts, but  for some reason only thing that comes out of
their mouth is the word "moron"


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Ousterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: CRUISE OF A LIFETIME


> Beth,
>
> I agree with you. I find it interesting the resounding silence of the
> "Stolen Election" camp when asked to discuss the facts.  This camp seems
> much more comfortable name calling then truly discussing the issues.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BethF [mailto:dawg@;alaska.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:51 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: CRUISE OF A LIFETIME
>
>
> > Would one of you from the "GW is a court appointed president" team
please
> > discuss all of the recounts that have been performed?  How many would
have
> > swayed the election if the Supreme Court hadn't interfered.  Again, I
> don't
> > remember seeing a single one. So if you can't show a recount that
supports
> > your view and there are recounts that support Bush won with and without
> the
> > Supremes, are you just avoiding reality?
>
>
> Its not a matter of saying that Bush didnt' win the electoral vote, he
> clearly did - its a matter of whether the electoral college is relevant
and
> fair.  At the time of the creation of the electoral college it was created
> because the "common man" supposedly didn't have the smarts to vote for
> himself so he voted for someone smarter than him to do it.   I personally
> find that notion offensive & outdated  and would prefer to see the
president
> elected solely on the basis of the public vote.
>
> Does anyone know if there were any other times a president was elected
> without winning the popular vote?
>
>
>
> 
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