Well we're not talking about whether or not it affects your land, we're
only talking about whether the government should or should not govern a
private business.  By your logic, you're saying that it's more important
to keep the air around your private business fresh and clean rather than
the air that is invading someone's lungs.  I don't consider the air to
be an "owned" (by private business, that is) commodity as you're
suggesting.  When your smoke crosses into my breathing space, it's
become your responsibility to rectify the situation.  And that's the
crux of the problem - people doing things that affect other people
without regard.  

I think we should remove the way of thinking "We're telling a business
what they can and cannot do" to "We're telling people that they can't
affect other people without their permission".  The business doesn't
smoke, people do, and therefore the law only is affecting people, not
businesses.  


Matthew Small
IT Director
Showstopper American Dance Championships
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
843-357-1847
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 3:51 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: woo hoo

A nuclear waste site yes,  the other two no.  A pig farm, or a land fill
does not stay within the boundaries of the land it occupies.  In essence
it
crosses into your land, in the air and water.  If you smoke in a
restaurant,
your smoke doesn't leave your business and get the people next door, it
dissipates before that can happen.

Timothy Heald
Information Systems Specialist
Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
571.345.2235


-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:29 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: woo hoo


I was just wondering, Tim -

I don't know where you live in the DC area, but do you think it would be
right for somebody to buy land right next to your house and set up a pig
farm, or a nuclear waste dumping site, or a landfill? According to your
logic, it would be. We have zoning restrictions because otherwise,
companies do just that sort of thing - and you know that's right,
because NC has a big problem with pig farms going up in places they
aren't wanted.  

Matthew Small
IT Director
Showstopper American Dance Championships
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
843-357-1847
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:16 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: woo hoo

Tim, I missed the original post to this. But Ben has asthma right? So do
I, 
but I think there are enough arguments to be made against public smoking

besides this. And I will get there is a sec. But watch now, I am in a 
restaurant eating. The guy next to me lights up. Man. Now, my asthma is 
triggered by having a cold so if I haven't had one recently I may jsut
be 
highly uncomfortable for the rest of my meal. If I have though, this guy

lighting up will set off a coughing fit, which I cannot stop. On more
than 
one occasion the smoker is this scenario has given me a dirty look and 
asked me do you mind. So. That's the personal issue.

However. The differnce between this and your scenario is that you have 
asked to be served the alcohol. I on the other hand have merely failed
to 
notice that I am sitting next to the smoking section.

Dana


>
> Ben, I likeyou man, but I have a major issue with your thinking that
you 
> should be able to tell others what to do based on your illness.  I am
an 
> alcoholic, I know I can't drink.  If I do I distroy my life.  Yet I
don't 
> think that they should be able to serve alchol in resturants or bars
to 
> protect me.  I just don't put myself in those situations anymore.  My 
> problem not yours.  See what I mean?





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