I made probably a poor choice of words. It is becoming more obvious that any "wing" is advocating or doing things that really scare me. :-)
I have lived a long life experiencing the impression that the main differences between liberal vs. conservative was: Liberal: " Don't worry, Big Brother will take care of you." Conservative" "you are so dumb, that we will always do what WE think is best for you." More and more, though, these lines are melting together, and the by-word of the day is self-interest, and personal (or lobbyists) agendas, and to hell with everyone/everything else. The trend of complaints should be dropping, that is it would if only the ones who vote do the complaining. On the other hand there is some good to see in the wide split in the US today, and that is one checks the other. The most disturbing philosophy to me is the mortgaging the future to benefit a few in the present. This has traditionally been the republican track record. While the Democrats push for more entitlements and the higher taxes to pay for them. I hope the upcoming presedential Election process will not concentrate on keeping the public in a state of fear of terrorist attack, while the economy continues to lumber along, more jobs being lost. There is much more, of course, but one argument at a time, right? Just my impression. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: RE: woo hoo | >Why must the right wing constantly and always want to control others? | | Funny, this is generally a left wing issue. Usually you will find democrats | backing this, and citing health reasons to do so. Don't get me wrong, the | republicans have plenty of other bad ideas :) | | Timothy Heald | Information Systems Specialist | Overseas Security Advisory Council | U.S. Department of State | 571.345.2235 | | | -----Original Message----- | From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:44 PM | To: CF-Community | Subject: Re: woo hoo | | | Our Mayor is pushing hard for a total ban on smoking in eateries. The main | reason is his campaign contributors. He almost got it passed, when we have | a | city council election and 7 members were turned out and the new members will | not | go along with it. It seems that about half of the restaurants in town are | by | the owners' choosing are already smoke-free, as are most of the fast (spell | that | junk) food places. He quickly switched gears and said he would bring it up | for | a public referendum, That is getting nowhere fast as well, because the | newbie | council members have rejected the call for an election as well. It seems | that | the restaurant association feels the public has plenty of choices for places | to | dine, and they are perfectly able to choose the smoke-free, or the divided | smoking/non-smoking restaurants. | This is a city where two (now former) city councilmen, three members of the | local community college board, and several members of a local school | district | are under indictment for official corruption, bribery. etc. | It seems that the medical lobby is biting themselves ever since they | railroaded | through (after failing three times) a law to fluoridate the municipal water | supply, using the "cavities in children" argument. Then they recently | started | another campaign to try to get public funding for free dental care for the | "many | children with cavities." When they were rebutted with the argument, "Why | hasn't | the fluoride treatment removed all that risk, as you claimed it would a | couple | of years ago." They did not have an answer, and now there is a movement to | repeal that law as well, because it was a lie to begin with. | Our atmospheric environment is right on the edge of being in non-compliance | with | EPA regulations due to smoke from Mexico and Central America in the spring, | and | pollution from refineries in the Houston area (200 miles away) that | cigarette | smoke is in reality a non-issue, being so insignificant to the overall air | quality situation. Our power company has just won approval to build an | additional coal-fired power generation plant, with the claim that it will | not | add to the deterioration of the air quality. Geez! When will the truth | ever be | told? | Again, I still believe it should be the restaurant owner's sole decision, | based | on his own market analysis to run a smoke-free or smoking/non-smoking | restaurant, and allow the market decide to either patronize them or not | patronize them. | | Why must the right wing constantly and always want to control others? Why | are | non-smokers so stupid that they cannot decide to not patronize an | establishment | if smoking is so offensive to them, and there are plenty of choices to dine | in | the atmosphere they choose? | | And I am a non-smoker/non-drinker. | | ====================================== | Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! | For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com | ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 | ====================================== | If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Nagy, Daniel J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 11:48 AM | Subject: RE: woo hoo | | | | they are -not- public. they can cater to whomever they wish. if a | restaurant | | owner does not want to permit smokers, or if the public want should lend | him | | more profit and he decides he wants this, so be it. a restaurant owner can | | throw out whatever trash he doesn't want in his establishment. it's -his-. | | | | if you take great exception to that, dont : | | | | * Walk down a public street. Carbon Monoxide is terrible for you. | | * Drink beer, milk or eat red meat. These promote fat growth and | | cholesterol. | | * Use a cell phone, or be near an electrical tower. Brain cancer for | | everyone. | | * on and on and on. | | | | if -you- don't want to be around smokers, that's fine and dandy. but who | are | | you to make demands of the owner of a private business, and what right | does | | the government have to forbid the use of a legal product on their | premesis. | | if you don't like the menu, you don't have any right to demand a change. | get | | up and walk your ass out into the street. just watch out for that carbon | | monoxide. | | | | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:43 PM | | To: CF-Community | | Subject: RE: woo hoo | | | | | | Restaurants are public as well. If you want customers that is. | | | | And I take great exception to anybody killing me, slowly or quickly. | | | | -------------- | | Ian Skinner | | Web Programmer | | BloodSource | | Sacramento, CA | | | | | | | | | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
