don't have time at the moment to debate points (most of which I agree
with BTW) looming deadlines all around!
aack! there's one now!
will
Heald, Tim wrote:
> You look on my site Will?
>
>
> Just wondering.
>
>
> Well if that's all your taking issue with in that statement, than I
> guess I
> must have done ok :)
>
> Timothy Heald
> Web Portfolio Manager
> Overseas Security Advisory Council
> U.S. Department of State
> 571.345.2319
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William H Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:46 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: 2004 Candidate matcher
>
> > LRSD
>
> Long Range Surveillance Detachment ?
>
> :-)
>
> will
>
> Tim Heald wrote:
>
> > I have some more time to respond.
> >
> > "that's bullshit my views are what I decide is right"
> >
> > Your views are often contradictory in nature, and in many cases not
> > based on
> > objective reality.
> >
> > "risking throwing our country into another Vietnam for a reason even
> > stupider then Vietnam was."
> >
> > An opinion. Good parrot.
> >
> > "Do we loose 10-15 soldiers a week in regular duty?? If so show me the
> > #'s"
> >
> > Yes, often times we do, asked and answered.
> >
> > "You can do all your preaching that you served in the military but it
> > doesn't make you one lick better then anyone else. I've seen studies
> that
> > only people who really have no other future enlist into the military you
> > don't see me using that to say oh you were too stupid to do anything
> > but go
> > into the military and you were a loser."
> >
> > I for one hope that the airmen, sailors, soldiers and marines that
> > keep you
> > safe and warm at home appreciate this line of thinking. Men like Audy
> > Murphy, Colin Powell, Ronald Regan, John Kennedy, George
> Washington. Your
> > supposed civil war heroes as well, that had to reconstruct this country
> > after tearing it apart. These are the losers you speak of. I have
> > already
> > expressed that I feel everyone should either have to serve, or not be
> > given
> > all of the same rights. I do think that military service makes you a
> > better
> > person. I know it made me a better person.
> >
> > "And as well as the fact that we're not at war, we're in a conflict
> > because
> > of our president I saw support given for him to do what he had to do but
> > we're not in a state of war big difference, though the republicans and
> > bush
> > administration does not choose to think that way."
> >
> > Once again your literary skills astound and amaze. I am not really sure
> > what you are trying to say here. Are you really foolish enough to
> believe
> > that we are not at war? Why because it isn't declared?
> >
> > "Much less I was talking about losses in the military not your former
> > division alone."
> >
> > I wasn't either. The numbers I sent in were for the entire army. I was
> > only using personal experience to illustrate the point.
> >
> > "People who are a little open minded and do not have a hard head and can
> > think freely will always change views. Only a person who is stubborn and
> > does not like change will never change their stances or views on
> anything.
> > Back when we were going to invade Iraq I said I guess its the right
> > thing to
> > do at the time while in the same breathe
> > saying how terrible the bush administration is because its a fact they
> > are.
> > Besides if you think about it there will always be 2 sides to the most
> > commonly held opinion. There will be the republican (Right wing)
> side and
> > the democratic (left wing) side."
> >
> > People who take the time to make a reasoned decision on an issue
> will not
> > often change their mind. They will have weighed the pros and cons
> of the
> > issue and will usually stick with their ideals and beliefs. That being
> > said,
> > under factual weight, with information I didn't have when I formed my
> > initial thoughts, I can certainly change my mind. Also you insist on
> > labeling me as a Bush supporter. I am not. Nor am I a
> > Democrat. Right and
> > left are not the only sides to the issues we are facing.
> >
> > "If you think Clinton was as bad as bush really go fight his war for
> > him and
> > think you're doing something for a great man who should be on mount
> > Rushmore"
> >
> > Honestly, I think Bush has probably done more harm than Clinton. We are
> > talking about shades of gray now. Why should we continue to choose the
> > lesser of two evils?
> >
> > "But don't you dare ever EVER say or even think you are better then
> > someone
> > because you served in the military because that's a crock of shit dude.
> > That's elitist crap and its hogwash if I ever saw it."
> >
> > Elitist. Yes I am. I don't pretend that there are no classes in our
> > society.
> >
> > "As for responsibility if someone attacked our country and they needed
> > me I
> > would be the next person in line to go out but when you have a
> family you
> > know its not always that easy to do."
> >
> > We were attacked. Our military is also dangerously low for men. We do
> > still have troops in a' Stan you know. The Taliban and Al Quaida are
> > still
> > out there. As are Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Ansar Islam, The Muslim
> > Brotherhood, and all kinds of other groups that wish to do harm against
> > America.
> >
> > "And my reasons for not going through with Perdue are my own and nobody
> > else's and how dare you try to judge me because of it."
> >
> > Self conscious? I didn't know anything or say anything about your
> > education. I can't. I didn't even graduate high school.
> >
> > "i'm tim i have access to stats that normal people don't get oh yes
> we had
> > so many people dieing in training accidents. OH yes on training duty and
> > such we always had to worry about the crazy man with a bomb driving
> > into our
> > building"
> >
> > I sent in my stats in an earlier email. I do have access to
> confidential
> > information, but I could and would never use it in so irresponsible a
> > manner. Also do you know anything about infantry and airborne training?
> > Are you saying that I was a garrison trooper? Look at the history
> of C co
> > 2/505th PIR between 1998 and 2001. At the time we were the most
> deployed
> > battalion in the U.S. Army. When did I say anything about bombs? Or
> > anything that I may have done operationally in the Army, other than
> > mention
> > what unit I was in, and what training I had to go through to get there?
> > Tell me Bill, what is LRSD. What do we do? Apparently I am either
> > making
> > up my career (and I have a DD214 if you'd like it, and jump log) or
> > it's not
> > hard to do at all. Hell it's basically just the boy scouts with camo
> > right?
> >
> > Why you Bill? Why can I debate with Larry and Dana? Because they
> debate,
> > they have reasons for believing what they do. They don't just spew back
> > what they heard on the evening news, or around the water cooler. I have
> > seen you flip flop on issues time and again. I have sat and listen
> to you
> > complain about what's happening to you, never hearing about you doing
> > anything for yourself. I have read your attacks against people on many
> > different occasions. How does it feel Bill?
> >
> > Loathe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 3:08 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: 2004 Candidate matcher
> >
> > that's bullshit my views are what I decide is right and if you want to
> > be a dick and start putting me down well hopefully you won't die
> in the
> > line of duty for a president who
> > is in risking throwing our country into another Vietnam for a reason
> > even stupider then Vietnam was.
> > Do we loose 10-15 soldiers a week in regular duty?? If so show me the
> > #'s. You can do all your preaching that you served in the military but
> > it doesn't make you one lick better then anyone else. I've seen
> studies
> > that only people who really have no other future enlist into the
> > military you don't see me using that to say oh you were too stupid
> to do
> > anything but go into the military and you were a loser. I was in the
> > process of joining the navy and in the process of a scholarship to
> > Perdue and navy rotc but because I opted for a private job doesn't
> mean
> > jack shit. And as well as the fact that we're not at war, we're in a
> > conflict because of our president I saw support given for him to
> do what
> > he had to do but we're not in a state of war big difference,
> though the
> > republicans and bush administration does not choose to think that way.
> >
> > I liked you alot but for you to start saying shit like that, hell no.
> > Much less I was talking about losses in the military not your former
> > division alone. People who are a little open minded and do not have a
> > hard head and can think freely will always change views. Only a person
> > who is stubborn and does not like change will never change their
> stances
> > or views on anything. Back when we were going to invade Iraq I said I
> > guess its the right thing to do at the time while in the same breathe
> > saying how terrible the bush administration is because its a fact they
> > are. Besides if you think about it there will always be 2 sides to the
> > most commonly held opinion. There will be the republican (Right wing)
> > side and the democratic (left wing) side. On gun control I'm on the
> > republican side, on bush I'm on the democratic side etc etc down the
> > line. If you think Clinton was as bad as bush really go fight his war
> > for him and think you're doing something for a great man who should be
> > on mount Rushmore.
> >
> > But don't you dare ever EVER say or even think you are better then
> > someone because you served in the military because that's a crock of
> > shit dude. That's elitist crap and its hogwash if I ever saw it. You
> > know I liked you alot but people who put me down and talk shit
> about me
> > screw that I don't need that. I'm sorry you're going through rought
> > times and all but that's no excuse to be a jerk dude, or whatever
> reason
> > you have is. As for responsibility if someone attacked our country and
> > they needed me I would be the next person in line to go out but
> when you
> > have a family you know its not always that easy to do. And my reasons
> > for not going through with Perdue are my own and nobody else's and how
> > dare you try to judge me because of it. So does it mean since I didn't
> > go into the military I am not as good as you? GRR man WTF that was
> > really upsetting to me with what a dick you were being to me? I
> mean you
> > can debate Dana till you're blue in the face but with me you just
> throw
> > personal attacks oh yes all the porn and games I jerk off to WTF man
> > Jesus. And to even think you have the knowledge or even the right
> to say
> > I swing to whatever the popular opinion is. OHH I wasn't in the
> military
> > i don't know anything, but i'm tim i have access to stats that normal
> > people don't get oh yes we had so many people dieing in training
> > accidents. OH yes on training duty and such we always had to worry
> about
> > the crazy man with a bomb driving into our building. LOL
> >
> > Thats messed up
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bill Wheatley
> > Senior Database Developer
> > eDiets.com, Inc.
> > (OTCBB: EDET)
> > 3801 W. Hillsboro Blvd.
> > Deerfield Beach, FL 33442
> > V: (954) 360-9022 ext. 159
> > F: (954) 360-9095
> > E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > W: <http://www.ediets.com/> www.ediets.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:28 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re:2004 Candidate matcher
> >
> > Hey Bill,
> >
> > There is a check box in Outlook that has it automatically spell check
> > everything you send out.
> >
> > "what did Clinton do that came anywhere close to the USA Patriot Act?"
> >
> > Echelon anyone? http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm,
> <http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm,> no
> > knock searches on federal low-income housing? Mandatory
> sentencing for
> > drug offenders?
> >
> > "i don't recall getting our country embroiled into a foreign conflict
> > that is starting to stretch on with the looks of stretching on
> > indefinately."
> >
> > Kosovo? Bosnia? They don't look to be ending either.
> >
> > "We might not have had to fight china because of our Last presidents
> > charisma and his ability to get deals done and work things out"
> >
> > If you call sending them every single U.S. patent on CDs and selling
> > them a naval base on U.S. property, through which they were caught
> > smuggling in hundreds of Ak-47s getting things done. I am still not
> > comfortable with the counter Intel investigations that took part
> during
> > his presidency.
> >
> > "The current president has been anti-un for the most part"
> >
> > And this is bad why?
> >
> > "becoming more belligerant and becoming if you aren't with us you're
> > aganist us"
> >
> > That's how I feel. Remember nations don't have friends, they have
> > interests, and if your not doing what we want, you're working against
> > our interests.
> >
> > "You are talking about going back onto active duty do you really
> want to
> > be embroiled in Iraq for the foreseeable future with a much more real
> > threat of dieing on any given day as opposed to standard non-war
> > footing"
> >
> > Don't talk about this. You don't know what you're talking about. The
> > 82nd is currently losing fewer troops than it does during regular
> > training rotations from jumps and training accidents. We loose people
> > in Eastern Europe, and in Asia, you just don't hear about it. You
> don't
> > hear about the people we lose in support of our foolish drug war. You
> > don't hear about the people we lose in Indonesia fighting Islamists
> > there. The reason you're hearing about the deaths in Iraq is a
> > political one.
> >
> > I don't want to go and fight anyone's war. I want to defend the young
> > troops we have in the ranks. I want to take what I have learned and
> > used to try and protect some of my closest friends. Finally, our
> > country is at war. I don't have to agree with the reasons for
> that war.
> > The authorized, constitutional head of our armed forces put them in
> > harms way. That's enough for me. I am sorry Bill that you don't feel
> > that responsibility.
> >
> > Might take away from you're video game and porn time I guess.
> >
> > I don't know why I even bother arguing with you. You are spoon fed by
> > the media. Your views sway in the wind with what you perceive is the
> > most commonly held opinion.
> >
> > Loathe
> >
> > >Hrm but what did clinton do that came anywhere close to the USA
> Patriot
> > >Act?
> > >And the china stuff i don't recall getting our country embroiled
> into a
> > >foreign conflict that is starting to stretch on with the looks of
> > >stretching on indefinately.
> > >We might not have had to fight china because of our Last presidents
> > >charisma and his ability to get deals done and work things out.
> Unlike
> > >our current president who within weeks of taking office ripped apart
> > all
> > >the good work done by previous presidents in helping to make
> alliances
> > >and bond the united states with europe and other parts of the world.
> > The
> > >current president has been anti-un for the most part, anti rest
> of the
> > >world. After 9/11 he became even more so becoming more
> belligerant and
> > >becoming if you aren't with us you're aganist us. You are talking
> about
> > >going back onto active duty do you really want to be embroiled in
> Iraq
> > >for the forseeable future with a much more real threat of dieing
> on any
> > >given day as opposed to standard non-war footing? Dieing for your
> > >country is all fine and dandy but remember pattons wonderful quote.
> > "The
> > >object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other
> > >bastard die for his."
> > >
> > >--
> > >Bill Wheatley
> > >Senior Database Developer
> > >eDiets.com, Inc.
> > >(OTCBB: EDET)
> > >3801 W. Hillsboro Blvd.
> > >Deerfield Beach, FL 33442
> > >V: (954) 360-9022 ext. 159
> > >F: (954) 360-9095
> > >E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >W: <http://www.ediets.com/> www.ediets.com
> > >
> > >
> > _____
> >
> >
> _____
>
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