Ultimately though, the "presentation" is just, in most cases going to be HTML/JS so ColdFusion shouldn't really be expected to provide this per se.
The step up from non-Java ColdFusion is massive in terms of how it works under the hood and in terms of features and capabilities. CF7 just does things way, way better than 4.x/5. I can see your point in that at this stage your requirements are limited and CF4 etc meets them but that server is way outdated (even archaic) and that when a more advanced feature request comes about you could be without a paddle. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Faircloth To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Feb 10 21:35:12 2007 Subject: RE: Neat error message What I'm saying is that all *I* see, and there is the emphasis on "my" understanding, which is limited to reading about later versions and watching this list, is that CF basically has advanced in its data handling capability. >From what I can tell, the tools used are more capable, like CFC's, etc. (now remember, I've never even seen a CFC, so my perspective may be sadly lacking), but for my requirements, CF 4.5 does as good a job as CF 7. I'm much more concerned about creating more effective presentations of data than I am about how that data is retrieved or handled in the code. Now, remember, my sites are small up to this point, so I'm not handling a massive amount of transactions or churning a lot of data, where speed is of the essence. (and that assumes the CF 7 is always faster than 4.5, which per some conversations on this list, I read that it's not) But I'll put the question to you as well.. and I've asked this before... what are the reasons why I should spend $1300 to move from 4.5 to 7? What will I gain since 4.5 currently meets my data-handling requirements? Rick -----Original Message----- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Neat error message Apart from cost (and I know it's a thrashed out debate) you cannot seriously that there is no compelling reason to not upgrade?! "CF includes built-in functionality that significantly addresses the user experience." Such as? Why would you want/need a programming language to cater for this and in what way? Do you mean more Ajax? More widgeta? "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Faircloth To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Feb 10 16:50:04 2007 Subject: RE: Neat error message Count me in! Still using 4.5 and the 4.0 WACK! There has been no compelling reason to update so far. (Not to start this whole debate again...) I'm waiting until CF includes built-in functionality that significantly addresses the user experience. I'm not looking to shave a few milliseconds off processing or to implement Flash forms or create pie charts. I'm getting more right now from implementing jQuery into my programming than I would if I deployed CF 7. I'm looking for more effective and engaging ways to present information, not just more effective ways of processing it. I have high hopes that CF 8 might finally address the user experience more significantly... we'll see. It's going cost me $1300 to get from CF 4.5 to CF 8, so it better be good. Rick -----Original Message----- From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Neat error message Probably alot of people out there still using 4 & 4.5. I see it on the list quite often with questions like "were upgrading to mx from 4.0, what can we expect?" Kinda odd since my CF4 wack is dated 1998...Long time to wait :/ Doug B. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:269425 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
