Wil, I copy your sentiment on what you say, I have made it no secret on my blogs that the best feature and the most under used feature as far as productivity goes is the debugger.
Back in the days of the pre-release of ColdFusion 8, I personally reported 5 issues that hindered that product when one uses it. But there are more than you can count, when it comes to bugs just for the debugger alone. What are they? There are too many to list, but the important ones are 1) The line debugger refuses to fire. 2) break points are sometimes reported as not reachable when they are. 3) It will run code to a certain point in a function/method and then just run the rest of that code. 4) It get slower and slower to run each and every time you run it. These 4 bugs have been listed with Adobe for nearly 5 years, so the question in my eyes is this. Why would I go out and spend money on a product that has known issues that have been reported not once but numerous times in the last 5 years? The editor is too damn slow, and copying lines of code across regularly will see you eventually have a Garbage Collection exception thrown. This too was reported over 8 months ago, and hasn't been fixed and that gives me about 5-10 minutes use before it crashes. As for the screen shifting either up/down/left/right when indenting that was reported over 12 months ago. Look to sum it up as it is a 1.0 initial release one can expect to have some problems, but not to the extent that ColdFusion Builder has. If I am not paying for the product I can certainly put up with the problems, but if I am forking my own hard earned money over for the product, I will not be paying $299.00 (USD) for every release either. -----Original Message----- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2010 3:43 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released! Adam, This is the point I've been trying to make to Adobe all along. ColdFusion server is Enterprise level middle-ware. We run our service, Mlsfinder.com, across four physical ColdFusion Enterprise servers. We see 2.5 to 3 million page views per day. (I know, small compared to FaceBook but still huge.) We service MLS markets across the country and to do that requires lots and lots of code. This is a 10 year old application that is not as efficient as it should be, but this is the real world. Giant apps like this are never ideal lab cases, however they are great cases for testing and over stressing an IDE. Which is does. The argument you've been making to me is that the bugs I mentioned were newly reported bugs that were reported after the RC release or that performance issues are due to third parties. The editor bug of the screen shifting left and right when editing longs lines was first reported five months ago. Some of the other bugs are newly reported bugs. You also said third parties like plug-ins or bugs in Aptana were the cause. Well, I would suspect at this point Adobe has a good working relationship with Aptana and if Adobe found a bug one or both of two things could/should happen. Either Aptana hurries up and fixes it OR Adobe contributes the fix to Aptana. So to blame Aptana seems a little unfair. So that leaves the Subversive plug-in for my SVN access. ColdFusion Builder is an IDE so yes, I want SVN access "Integrated". I've worked with Subclipse and Subversive and the results between the two are the same. Both make CFBuilder dead slow on large SVN repositories. Even Aptana and Eclipse/CFEclipse get slowed down. However, they are not nearly as bogged down as CFBuilder. In addition CFBuilder always ends up throwing errors part way through the process. An update of my code will take 10 to 20 minutes with CFBuilder on a good day. So yesterday I installed Aptana and CFEclipse and Subversive. Imagine my surprise when found NONE of the issues I had in ColdFusion Builder. Plus updating the code base from SVN only took 5.5 minutes. So what am I left thinking? I'm thinking there are bugs in ColdFusion Builder that need to be resolved before I will buy it for myself and before I can give my recommendation at work that we buy this for our development team. Adam, you know me, we've talked in person and you've visited the company I work at, WolfNet Technologies. Help me out here, I really want to buy this product and openly support it in the ColdFusion Community. So to answer your question of what would make a $299 IDE worth it? My answer is fix what you have. Then I will recommend it to our development team and company. Then lets build version 2.0! Thank You, Wil Genovese ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:332164 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
