[cfaussie] Re: Cold Fusion vs ASP

[Geoff Bowers]

What I find amusing is that for years CF was bagged as having all these 
tag based metaphors for hiding the complexity of the underlying 
machinery... now we have ASP.NET claiming that its <asp:datagrid 
id="dgDonations" runat="server" /> and other bits (which look an awful 
lot like custom tags) are some how revolutionary.

In truth all languages let you beg/borrow/steal libraries of bits -- but 
I still am having a hard time finding anything as simple to create and 
use as a CF custom tag.

-- geoff
http://www.daemon.com.au/
Barry Beattie wrote:
Spike, you are right. this is a PITA part of ASP.NET although you can
create your own from scratch or inherit existing controls and extend
them. It's more built for org standards than one-offs.
but you get this anywhere where someone else writes how the thing should
look - flash controls included. and CFGRID too?
$0.02
barry.b
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Milligan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 30 April 2004 10:48 AM
To: CFAussie Mailing List
Subject: [cfaussie] RE: Cold Fusion vs ASP

That was exactly my experience a few years ago when I looked at the web
matrix (http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabIndex=4&tabId=46)
It
looks wonderful and allows you to do all these really cool things, but
when
you dig a bit deeper and have requirements that go slightly away from
the
default behaviour it becomes complicated very quickly. It's a bit like
using
JSP tag libraries with a visual IDE. The tag library abstracts the
complexity for you, but if it doesn't do what you want, you need to have
a
completely different set of skills to modify the library than to use it.
That's where I think ColdFusion has the right balance. It doesn't try to
do
too much automatically for you and it provides the tools if you need to
create a datagrid custom component/tag.
Spike

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
James Macpherson
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:24 PM
To: CFAussie Mailing List
Subject: [cfaussie] RE: Cold Fusion vs ASP

Hey all -
Now I'm no ASP.Net programmer - though I've done a lot of 
windows application VB.Net - I just remember playing a bit 
with ASP.Net and I loved all the gotdotnet tutorials that give 
20 lines of code that do wonderful things with event driven 
datagrids from server to browser... BUT... at work our 
designers are very finicky with the way things look, demanding 
pixel-perfect placement of graphics and form elements - all of 
which with relative positioning to scale/stretch etc.  With 
coldfusion I'm LOOKING AT the very HTML that ends up in the 
browser and I couldn't (in the short time I played with it) 
figure out how to do the same in ASP.Net.  Sure you have 
templates etc. but it seemed to me (and correct me if I'm 
wrong) that getting a very precise-looking datagrid would 
require rewriting of the datagrid component.  (Which is 
possible, but it's no longer the drag-and-drop wonder that it 
was made out to be).

That's just my long winded $0.02.
- James
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