> > Another problem with transitions in the same track, you do not have an 
> > easier
> > time controlling the first video.
> > 
> > If you put 2 videos and a transition, the transition will show the first 
> > video frozen. To fix this, you have to shorten the video from behind.
> 
> IMHO, Ardour shows the best way of handling transitions (Ardour is for
> sound editing): There you drag the second clip so it overlaps the first
> one. The overlap is marked as transition. You can then drag both borders
> of the overlap.
> 


        on the same track?  That is EXACTLY how transitions should be handled
        IMO.

        It should also happen AFTER effects (such as color balance, denoise,
        etc) are applied to that clip.  I think you just mentioned that in a
        previous email.

        Why do video editors insist that transitions should be on 2 tracks?

        I've used cinelerra for years ( more than 10) now and just recently
        switched to KDenlive.   Cinelerra has been left to rot this past year
        it seems.   I don't use effects (except for color balance) and have
        very few demands on a video editor.  It should just cut tracks one
        after the other and be able to add sound on separate tracks. However,
        to do even that, I have to transcode 3 times.

        I first have to transcode my original videos (I hate doing this as it
        seems so unnecessary), then edit it and render it to some
        intermediary format.  Then, encode with external software
        (gmerlin_transcode) to get it into a usable mp4 container.
        Cinelerra used to allow me to edit my videos without initially
        transcoding them.   It no longer does.   Kdenlive will work okayish
        if I transcode at the beginning.  However, despite it;s lame MLT
        backend and its overall wonkyness, I can make a usable mp4 right out
        of the kdenlive editor.  Instead of 3 transcodings, I now only have
        2.

        I dream of a day when I can edit in linux straight from my original
        source to the encoded format.  Bcast2000 did this way back when.  Of
        course, the acceptable codecs have changed since then.  Cinelerra and
        Kdenlive LOOK like they can do it, but can't because of quirky bugs
        that show up.   Just playing and encoding video from and to somewhat
        standard codecs (x264 mov and mp4s) should be considered the bare
        minimum.

        If I had a year to commit to it, I would simply gut cinelerra, bind
        its media rendering and media encoding to gmerlin/gavl and viola!  

        Of course, as a programmer, I can say with some authority that it is
        much easier to dream and say than to program.

        in solidarity, druzba   -august.



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