I thought Myra's tone was measured. And I agree with much of what she has said. Phyllis you disagree with what she says and then admit you haven't read some of the documents. And a mill is a mill..yes, numbers do count. I've been reading a lot about a dog factory (mill) that breeds has many breeds and does it very "well"..that is the facility is clean..like a hospital and the dogs are all tested by *specialists* with written proof. A mill is a mill is a mill. When you are turning them out like a factory you are a mill. And I don't care how many co-owners you have..100 puppies a year are too many. Jo Ann
> Myra, > I must admit I am extremely surprised and disturbed by the tone of your > response. I have respect for many of the opinions you have expressed in the > past and for your stated goal and aspirations for the breed. I will assume > you have not thought out what you have said here, especially the issues in > which you compare the two clubs. I know you are aware of the fact that the > AKC is not a club. You have been using the AKC and the ACKSC interchangeably > which they certainly are not. The AKC is a registering body...the ACKSC is a > club. The AKC is a registering body that registers over 150 breeds of dogs. > The ACKSC and the CKCSC work just with Cavaliers. Why should the CKCSC > educate judges that Cavaliers should be presented free baited when that is > the norm? It is in the AKC that there is a problem, perpetrated mainly by > professional handlers which as you know, are not allowed to show dogs in the > CKCSC. It is the CKCSC that says that you must not breed a bitch before one > year of age and she cannot have more than 6 litters and can have one back to > back breeding and then must skip a year and must not bear a litter after the > age of 8. The AKC can not stop a 6 month old bitch from having 20 > consecutive litters. Not being a member of the ACKSC I have not read their > rules but I assume they can not over-ride the AKC and therefore may have > suggestions but certainly can not make rules contrary to the registering body > they represent. Why does the AKC make visits to breeders.....because of the > pressure put upon them by breed clubs such as the ACKSC and the CKCSC to do > something about the puppy mill puppies they put their stamp of approval on. > I assume you are aware of the fact that the CKCSC has ethic hearing to deal > with unethical breeders and publishes the names of undesirables on their > website and in their literature. Numbers of dogs or numbers of litters do > not make a puppy mill. It is the quality of the care and the conditions in > which the dogs live that determine that. Some of our members with large > numbers of dogs are breeders who devote their lives to their dogs and provide > them with exceptionally good lives. > Sorry Myra, this is one issue you obviously have not thought through > thoroughly. > Phyllis > > > > . Where did I hear health testing discussed the most? > > ACKCSC. Who has recently taken steps to educate judges as to how a dog > > should be presented in the ring? ACKCSC. Which club has a limit on how old > > a boy must be before he is bred? AKC Which code of ethics has the most > > strongly worded encouragement to health test your breeding animals? ACKCSC > > in my opinion, although it is is certainly just a matter of opinion. Which > > club makes visits to breeders premises? AKC Which club requires DNA > > testing on frequently used stud dogs? AKC Which club requires a permanent > > form of identifying imports? AKC Which membership application quizzes the > > applicant about what breeds of dogs they are breeding and have bred in the > > past? ACKCSC Which membership application inquires about how many litters > > you have produced in the past? ACKCSC And last but certainly not > > least.......which club is it that is inspecting puppy mills and fining puppy > > millers? Certainly not the CKCSC. Myra > > ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author.
