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On Thursday 05 December 2002 12:22, Andrew Barnes wrote:
> I've seen the archive - it accessible but the point is only to those who
> really delve for it.  And I found I was only able to go back a few pages. 
> A forum allows for a greater overview, and it is more accessible which

neither of these things is true unless:

 o you use a truly shitty email client (which apparently you are because its 
breaking the threading ;)
 o the archives suck (which it currently does)
 o you don't do email anyways so taking a break to meander to a website and 
look at a couple messages isn't a big deal

that said, i'd love to hear your justification for how a forum allows for a 
greater overview and is more accessable ...

> comes back to why I feel there is a need for the site re-design - the
> navigation is not readily accessible straight to the mailing list among
> other things.The entire point of website design is that if it takes more
> then 5 minutes to find what you want, it's poorly designed.  5 minutes is
> too much even...

agreed... so whip up a nice design and we'll all be happier... in fact, why 
don't we (by which i mean you, since you brought it up ;) concetrate first on 
a better web site design for what currently exists and then worry later about 
things like bulletin boards.

> Moderation is not censorship unless in the hands if those who can not
> handle the responsibility.  With potentially increased viewers, the
> likelyhood for a moderator is a necessary position. 
> In order to attract more people, this is a necessity 

not really. i act as a pretty relaxed moderator and i'm sure when i eventually 
give up that "post" someone else will fill those shoes. but there's no need 
to OK/Deny every post and probably never will be. this is based on past 
experience with groups and lists that make CLUG look insignificant, btw.

>- or is it preferred that there not be
> exploration of how to attract new users?

let's not devolve into flames and flamebait here, ok?

see, i can moderate!

> I understand that you have a preference, but compare the site with any
> other that attracts viewers and you'll find the others employ the ideas I
> would like the new site if it's agreed upon to use. 

calgary.linux.ca is not a news site, a portal, etc.. and probably never should 
be. it should be an information site for CLUG that may end up offering nice 
shortcuts and links to sites that are news/portal sites.

what i think we can agree on is a nice looking design with good navigation 
would be an improvement for existing and new users alike. if you are prepared 
to work on that, let's do so! once that is done, we can look at introducing 
new features and functionality.

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Aaron J. Seigo
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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler"
    - Albert Einstein
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