There will always be problematic people who might not act (or choose not to) appropriately with others - mailing list or forum, it changes nothing.
There's no reason to leave the IRC - every forum I frequent uses a chat of some sort of desparately wants to have the feature.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jarrod Major [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (clug-talk) Website and Forum?
I guess the crux of the argument is that there are many forms of
communication. We have the mailing lists that have been informative and
annoying. Informative from the viewpoint that folks can ask questions and
other folks try to answer them. Annoying from the point that we get the odd
over-zealous person on here who deems it necessary to flame people or make
people feel bad or worse, stupid because of their questions. The poster in
question does not make it better for themselves by asking poor questions to
begin with before doing some sort of web search or looking through docs.
We try to self moderate and it has worked pretty well so far. We are
supposed to be adults here. I am proud of our mailing list. I have seen lots
of excellent topics of discussion come and go on this list. And as Aaron has
said lots of inane prattle (to paraphrase) as well as a few completely
inappropriate posts. I guess we take the good with the bad.
We have the IRC channel, which I would like to use more personally.
A Web forum would be a welcome addition in my opinion as long as it wasn't
the ONLY way we communicate. It's all about choice right. I understand that
by not being on IRC I am missing some important, vital, informative
discussions. I'm not going to cry about it. So if I only subscribed to the
clug-talk list and did not check a future forum implemented on the CLUG
site, it's no big deal, that's my choice.
I would like to see us offer this anyway.
Jarrod
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: (clug-talk) Website and Forum?
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> On Thursday 05 December 2002 11:34, Andrew Barnes wrote:
> > At last night's meeting, the issue of moving to a UBB forum was
broached.
> > I wondered if there was more interest for this as there's benefits to be
> > had - less chance of spam,
>
> what spam? *looks around* i don't see any spam, do you?
>
> > IMO easier to refer someone to a forum thread,
> > more static viewing so a guest can browse and get the feeling of the
> > community, moderation if necessary... I have used phpBB - it's both
free
> > and quite good.
>
> if you mean "move from email lists to web boards" the answer from me at
least
> is a resounding "Hell no!". i do not have the time nor patience for the
> inneficiencies of web boards. email is far more accessable, quick and
usable
> for this sort of conversation.
>
> if you mean "augment the email list with a web board" i could be in favour
of
> that. boards for things like listing hardware/software needed/available,
> linux jobs/companies, discussion of the website ;-) etc... might be well
> served by a bulletin board on the website while keeping that noise of this
> list.
>
> but, in general, web boards are horrible for the sort of communications we
do
> on this email list. if you want me to rant on about why, i can. but i
would
> assume that most people here already know the reasons.
>
> > I am unfamiliar with how CLUG is exists on the webserver though - I got
the
> > impression that it is people sharing their bandwidth by providing
hosting.
> > Is that correct?
>
> yes
>
> > The reason I ask is that I would like to inquire if I (or someone) could
> > redesign the website.
>
> i don't think anyone would object to a nice site design... mock-ups and
> concept previews for people to peruse are more than welcome... just post
the
> URL to the list and i'm sure you'll get feedback...
>
> > I mean no disrepect to the efforts that have gone
> > into what currently exists, but the layout is rather antiquated and
doesn't
> > lend to easy access.
>
> don't worry, i don't think there was much in the way of any "design". it's
> just a wiki site with some very basic HTML around each page...
>
> > I think the site would attract more if it were
> > easier to browse, and the content on the main page was a little more
active
> > - more Linux related news amidst CLUG news for a portal effect. Not
> > looking to re-create Slashdot but it adds to why someone would go to the
>
> i'd suggest that at most we have listings of the last N stories from
> appropriate linux sites using the RDFs they publish in side boxes. i don't
> think calgary.linux.ca would be successful at nor is an appropriate place
for
> YALNS (yet another linux news site ;)
>
> > site. My intention or suggestion would be to move to a PHP/MySQL etc.
>
> the voting/membership system is PHP/pgsql, so i think we already have a
> PHP/database requirement. it might be nice to keep it all in a single db
> engine if possible...
>
> > setup in the interest of adding email newsletter support,
>
> by "email newsletter" do you mean a "what's going on in CLUG" type thing?
if
> so, i'd suggest that it would be pretty small and that there are better
> places on the net to get non-CLUG related info...
>
> > polling
>
> for?
>
> > accounts for site administration like news posting and backups....
>
> that would be nice... the reason we're using wiki right now is to make
this
> easy. of course, if there are admins, then those admins need to be
dilligent
> in keeping the site in shape (e.g. posting news submissions). i for one am
> in favour of a more open style of a site rather than tight control by a
few
> admins: it means we rely less on those admins (and require less of those
> admins; it works both ways) and ensures the site is free and open.
>
> in the time we've had the wiki up we've had two small incidents that were
both
> easy to correct.
>
> > The forum would
> > provide even more of a backend to the site, with the ability to discuss
> > news topics etc. and allow newcomers easy access to view the community.
>
> i think t
>
> > am I stepping on toes?
>
> no..
>
> - --
> Aaron J. Seigo
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> "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler"
> - Albert Einstein
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