Hi Martin:
I was on the helm of the K25 downwind that day.....we were not in the
same PHRF fleet but we had a 5 mile downwind leg where the 37R started
just behind us (2 to 3 boats lengths) and after the leg it was maybe
abeam of us.....we were not "hitch'n a ride' on his stern wave, he might
have doing that to us.....go figure, it happened...... know it was
embarrassing for the 37R crew......the boat was always well sailed....it
is for sale....
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&id=2253255&lang=en&slim=broker&&hosturl=oceanyachtsales&&ywo=oceanyachtsales&;
Check its race record in the advertisement......it was always a
competitively sailed boat.....not like them to give anything away to any
boat on the race course.
Going up wind against the 37R in 8 to 10 knts apparent was
doable.....higher than that, we were toast....did it make any sense, NO!
I got another story......we were racing on a 1985 C&C 33 MK II.....well
crewed boat, trust me......long up wind leg at about a 17 to 20 knts
true.....a J24 stayed with us all the way to the windward mark.....one
would think that should not have happened, but it did. We have a very
competitive J24 fleet here.
Raced on a 34R.....a Hobbie 33 would kick our behinds downwind.....in
anything over 12 to 15 knts true, we would take it all back and more on
the the upwind legs.
Like I said earlier, racing is 50% boat, 50% crew and 50% luck......I'll
take 50% luck any day!
There is no 'excuse racing' than 'match boat racing'.....no
excuses....boat for boat, crew for crew.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax,N.S.
On 2014/03/10 5:53 PM, Martin DeYoung wrote:
Dwight,
How did the Kirby 25 do against the 37R upwind, and was the 37R well
sailed in general?
Was the Kirby "hitch'n a ride" on the 37's stern wave?
Best regards,
Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
*From:*CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*dwight
*Sent:* Monday, March 10, 2014 1:48 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Kirby 25 verses C&C 37R
Yea that Kirby 25 was a lively little boat and well equipped with "go
fast" gear. I don't think we were planing but certainly up to hull
speed alongside that 37R...a huge contrast in spinnakers there, a
fractional rig triradial kite on the Kirby (3/4 fractional I think)
and masthead triradial on the 37R, we felt very small. Bob was
driving and Glenn and I trimmed, and I needed relief, glad we had that
new head on board that day...that must have been even more perplexing
for the 37R, man goes below and forward and still they can't pull
away...I guess all the work I thought I was doing in the cockpit did
not really matter anyway!!!
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*Chuck S
*Sent:* March 10, 2014 5:32 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Kirby 25 verses C&C 37R
Great story.
Some boats can be exceptional. Some crews can make a good boat even
faster. You guys sound like you knew what you were doing. Sometimes
the planets allign and a good boat w good sails and a crew who trim
them well, make a huge difference.
Chuck
*/Resolute/*
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
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*From: *"Robert Abbott" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Monday, March 10, 2014 12:41:20 PM
*Subject: *Stus-List Kirby 25 verses C&C 37R
Chuck:
This particular K25 was a fast boat.....as I mentioned in an earlier
post, it was stripped out and made race ready at the Bruckmann factory
in Mississauga.....even after all of the work Mark Bruckmann did to
the K25, it was class legal. For example, he had the bottom 'long
sanded' and the foils were made 'perfect'. The sails were made by
Hugh Beaton of the North Sails loft in Toronto.....if anyone could
make sails for a K25, it is Hugh Beaton.
When I was in the process of buying the K25 from Mark Bruckmann, I
asked him to install a 'marine head' in the vee berth before he
shipped the boat to me.....he had the ways and means to do it a lot
better that me. I though at that moment he would not sell the boat
to me because he said it would slow it down.
Well, the J24 fleet around here called us 'the annoying red
Kirby'....we were beating them boat for boat most days. One day in
early August, we hauled the K25 on the club's crane to clean the
bottom and a few of the J24 racers took the opportunity to come over
to inspect her.....they asked what modifications had been done to the
boat to make it so fast.....I told them I had had a 'marine 'head'
install in the vee berth complete with thru hulls. Needless to say,
they went away totally perplexed.
The downwind run against the 37R, Dwight leaves the cockpit and has a
dump in the head.....the first to use it for that purpose.....too funny!
On another race, we were dueling boat for boat with a J24 to the
finish line....long story but he came up and bumped us and cried
foul.....I accepted the foul and did a 360 or 720, can't remember
exactly, and we still beat the J24 across the line. There was no way
the J24's could deal with this K25 downwind. Dwight might remember
that race and finish....I am pretty sure he was on board.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2014/03/08 7:42 PM, dwight wrote:
Chuck
I was on Bob and Glen's K25 as rail meat I guess because at that
time in my life I could add a lot to rail meat and we were not
planing, just holding our own downwind with a C&C 37R...good wind
but not planing for us as I recall...maybe Bob will remember
better, cause I was in the head for some of it, think I may have
been the first to use that head and that left he a Glen in
control...but it was downwind so they did not really need me and
maybe my weight forward was advantageous, who knows...think I
might have been the first to use the new head that Bob installed
on that slippery little K25, *40 Yard^3 Bin* that was her name and
she was swift that's for sure and we had a lot of fun with that
boat...I would recommend a K25 to anyone with racing aspirations
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Of *Chuck S
*Sent:* March 8, 2014 11:50 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Stus-List Kirby 25 verses C&C 37R
Hi Dwight,
I imagine the Kirby 25 was planing and surfing while you guys were
not able to?
I hate when they put planing boats in with our division, but
that's PHRF. Melges 20, Melges 24, but the most impressive thing
was an all carbon Viper 640 that even led the fleet to the
windward mark in 4 knot wind and gained a little on each leg,
especially downwind.
Chuck
*/Resolute/*
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
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*From: *"dwight" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, March 8, 2014 10:04:05 AM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List Boat Names
K25, which was a really slippery little boat, raced side by side
with a C&C 37R in goods winds under spinnaker on a long run in
from Chebucto Head and we held our own easy...only 3 of us onboard
that day...very memorable day...First in Class I seem to
recall...Bob may have a say on that day too
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