Couldn’t agree more with Bill’s comments. Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. We do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home, where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal arrangements for use of the official C&C material on his website and use of the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C&C have expressed gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C&C's are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous work. Bill Bina On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote: Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my perspective: Mike, I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love. God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or version of the actual C&C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they labored over and executed so well. Cloud storage is storage. That's all. I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't been provided. Thank you. On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list. I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who are now friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are friends I have solved engine problems due to input from this list and learned that cows do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot. This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it not stus. I am happy to support for all the c&cs my family and i have owned or sailed on and the ones that are not c&c. I believe strongly that this list is so good because of Stu I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico Mike Hoyt The most consistent not currently c&c poster The biggest interloper One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built 1987 non c&c Persistence Out of the water today Halifax, ns _ _______________________________________________ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
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