To Kevin's point, if the expense (money and time) is exorbitant, there may be alternatives or at least a strong argument for something different. This list does have plenty of smart people, many of whom may have experience with modern social networking technology and associated platforms. It is possible that there is a better way to do this. It is also quite possible that this list is still the best, cheapest, and least involved.
Just because this topic has been discussed at length multiple times in the past doesn't mean that a new technology hasn't come along. I do remember that one of the important features referenced in the past was that it be email based so that our SSB/pactor/snail mail members can still interact. With the ubiquity of modern high-speed cell phone internet and even satellite internet communications it seems that even that argument is becoming moot. As for the "transition" from Stu (for whatever reason but most importantly an untimely demise) a "board of directors" might be appropriate to ensure a smooth transition. None of this is to discredit or disrespect Stu's efforts or contributions. In fact quite the opposite. Thank you Stu for all of your time and effort over the years. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Oct 26, 2017 3:35 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Dennis et al, > Wouldn't you want to know how *much* it is costing Stu or how *little* he > is making so you could send MORE money, to help out? I do so I can send > MORE, not less! > > Continue to pile on all you like. Being informed of the approximate costs > (in time and $) would benefit everyone, least of all Stu, since listers > would know what it takes and could contribute MORE. > > Keep em coming. Still loving this list and C&C's ;! > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> This virtual C&C community has existed for over 20 years. Many of us >> have escaped the list's cyber boundaries and meet in the "real" world. >> >> What Bill didn't mention was that Sailnet wanted to charge an ongoing fee >> to all of us. We would also be subject to their advertisements and any >> future fee increases. After we set up a Yahoo Groups, we found it lacking. >> >> Stu stepped up to the plate and offered to maintain what we now call >> Stu's List. One of the promises Stu made was "no advertising, ever". We >> like that. It is a community list. Although Stu diligently maintains it, >> we all feel a deep sense of community and semi-ownership. Although Stu is >> the "official head knocker in charge", we choose to believe this list is >> "ours". >> >> Not only does this resource make our boats more valuable, the cumulative >> $$ and aggravation savings are large. Benefiting from the been there, done >> that of this list is very valuable. The combined experience of our members >> cover all aspects of our boats; rigging, tuning, structural repairs, >> engines, electrical and electronics. >> >> Well worth throwing a few bucks at Stu. IMHO, if there is an excess, I >> believe Stu will inform us and apply it to next year's expenses. I, like >> others, think that if Stu chooses to accept an annual "bonus" of a bottle >> or two of some fine adult beverage, that's good by me. He deserves it. >> >> Enough about this. Send $$$. >> >> Dennis C. >> >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length. >>> We do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a group >>> hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially left >>> homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go. Google >>> really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a few other >>> options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet, even though they >>> had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by allowing someone else >>> to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu provide us a stable home, >>> where some outside bean-counter would never again have the option to >>> exterminate us, and throw our content in the trash. Stu has done an amazing >>> job all these years, and at one time mentioned that there was a succession >>> plan in place. Anyone who thinks this is in any way a "business" for Stu >>> should just go back out whatever door they came in. He has put an enormous >>> amount of time and effort into keeping us together, and I would be shocked >>> if the bottom line has not been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal >>> arrangements for use of the official C&C material on his website and use of >>> the logo for various items he occasionally makes available as modest fund >>> raisers. The founders and principal players of the old C&C have expressed >>> gratitude for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C&C's >>> are also more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous >>> work. >>> >>> Bill Bina >>> >>> On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote: >>> >>> Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my >>> perspective: >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's >>> property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is >>> a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not think >>> one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences shared by >>> many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love. >>> >>> God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would >>> evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu does >>> not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own any part or >>> version of the actual C&C brand to my knowledge. If anything we should be >>> sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family, etc. for the designs they >>> labored over and executed so well. >>> >>> Cloud storage is *storage*. That's all. >>> >>> I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer hasn't >>> been provided. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list. >>>> >>>> I have met people through this list that I have later met in person who >>>> are now friends. I have met people who I have never met in person who are >>>> friends I have solved engine problems due to input from this list and >>>> learned that cows do better foredeck work than me. I have learned a lot. >>>> >>>> This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes it >>>> not stus. I am happy to support for all the c&cs my family and i have owned >>>> or sailed on and the ones that are not c&c. I believe strongly that this >>>> list is so good because of Stu >>>> >>>> I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico >>>> >>>> Mike Hoyt >>>> The most consistent not currently c&c poster >>>> The biggest interloper >>>> One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built >>>> >>>> 1987 non c&c >>>> Persistence >>>> Out of the water today >>>> Halifax, ns >>>> _ >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up >>> again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a >>> small contribution to help keep this list running. 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