On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:40:49AM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:54:49 -0700 Ken Restivo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > > 
> > > > IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely  
> > > > the most active?) to have his hands tied by these shadowy "designers"  
> > > > who can interfere apparently on a whim. Especially when they're  
> > > > coming up with crazy decisions that are technically poor!!
> > > 
> > > welcome to openmoko. i get paid to program. i am not a designer (as i have
> > > been told) and thus am not qualified to make decisions there (so i have 
> > > been
> > > informed). i am paid to program. so that is what i will do.
> > >
> > 
> > If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to adopt 
> > what
> > Neitzche called the "Sklavmoral"-- or  "I'm not paid to think, I'm only paid
> > to wash the floors"-- attitude in order to survive, it doesn't bode well for
> > OpenMoko.
> > 
> > In any case, you're doing great work, so "illigitimum non carborundum".  I
> > can't tell you how delighted I was when I saw the "qwerty" button suddenly
> > appear after doing an opkg upgrade! And the ability to choose different
> > keyboard layouts from a pop-up menu was great. I thought to myself, "now 
> > THIS
> > is a well-managed project, critical features that I need are being added
> > without even asking for them, and the progress is daily!". And now of course
> > it is gone.
> sorry to give false hope - that was just me... doing things... things slipped
> through - i enable the button so i can do debugging and play with the keyboard
> without having to go run or write special apps (i also have a special app to
> test auto-keyboard hint properties too - but that's another matter). :) i
> actually don't really intend for a lot of he current ugly guts of kbd changes
> to be seen as well - it's all a work in progress, but the illume keyboard now
> has everything except:
> 1. actual dictionary lookup + correction. (got the infra - just missing the
> dict bit).
> 2. the ability to either enable or disable it and optionally run another
> keyboard app (illume's keyboard won't always be what you want. it's really
> meant to be the no-frills "really efficient" keyboard that comes for free (so 
> to
> speak) with your desktop env at very little overhead). it likely will never do
> handwriting recognition or try emulate dasher... or many things, but for a
> basic nuts and bolts inputs mechanism that is easily extended by users with 
> new
> layouts and gets the job done, its here and comes for "free" (as such if the
> keyboard is never shown the code is never paged in and it uses no memory
> resources. even if used - code is dynamically paged, so its paged out again 
> when
> not used).
> > Can someone please document what hack is necessary to add that button back
> > in? And, yes, if anyone wants to please fork the necessary package, I will
> > subscribe to that feed instead, because the ability to use an on-screen
> > keyboard on a Linux phone is a must-have for me. The Illume keyboard with
> > Full-QWERTY is excellent and I love it. I need to be able to launch it
> > manually in order to use it with Minimo and openmoko-terminal2-- the two 
> > apps
> > I purchased the phone to use.
> unfortunately you're out of luck. people who pay me want qtopia's keyboard -
> and so they shall get it. illume's internal keyboard is/will be disabled. i
> haven't had time to make any way to enable illume's internal one by config 
> yet.

Ah wait, then I wasn't using the correct name for it.

The Qtopia keyboard-- whatever the default one is in qpe-- with the Full-QWERTY 
mode, *is* in fact what I want.

It's a great keyboard. I like that it has a simple mode, a Full-QWERTY mode, 
and a numeric mode. I thought Illume was the default keyboard but I guess qpe 
is. In any case, it's great, and I'm happy with it.

> > If some more "elegant" method is designed later on, and works, I'll switch 
> > to
> > it. But for now I need a working keyboard in the terminal, and web browser,
> > and all the other apps.
> > 
> > I'm sure all this will get sorted out eventually, and rough going like this
> > is normal in the early days, so no big deal.
> edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme installed
> in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes). in the directory find the .edc file 
> -
> edit. search for a comment string "don't look at me".  here are 3 of them.
> notice the line above i the same entry - just commented out with a different
> value. comment out the line with the "don't look at me" comment and UNCOMMENT
> the line above. you'll get a keyboard button. rebuild the file (build.sh or
> edje_cc file.edc) and copy the .edj file back on top of the original... 
> restart
> E (killall -HUP enlightenment will do the job - along with a dozen other
> mechanisms... all but 1 disabled). :)

Thanks. I may have a play with that later.

Someone posted an .edj file to make the "qwerty" button re-appear on the 
default QPE keyboard, and with that, and now that I'm pointed to the correct 
downloads.openmoko.org repository, life is once again good.

Thanks again for all your hard work on this!


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