>"What matters is that people are dying ect etc etec." This is mere bullshit 
>and
>moral posturing.
>
>Carrol

Try to look beyond the typed words, Carrol, towards an assertion of values 
by someone who can raise their eyes to the horizon, rather than bicker over 
yet one more permutation of ideological navel gazing, as you and I are prone 
to do. It DOES matter that people are dying. It will matter more as more 
people die due to our inability to recognize that there is indeed a moral 
component to our dilemma. Or haven't you been listening to Tony patiently 
explain to us about the deaths of braceros? ... or the deaths of Timorese?

Tom
(who once talked while IN combat)
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