>
>But it was not due to corporate-financial power that South Africans
>shook apartheid from their shoulders. It was _against_ it. Your
>example makes me think that I did not understand you well. If you
>mean that under the current circumstances any reasonably constituted
>government in a Thrid World country must know that the power of
>imperialism is immense and that it will have to negotiate a path
>across a dark and dangerous wood, then we agree. What I wanted to
>stress (and I still do) is that no "democracy" can be imposed from
>abroad, either by corporations or by good willed citizens in the
>First World.
>
I
>understood you were proposing some kind of support to interventionism
>by First World states in the Third World, in the name of democratic
>rights and so on. The true face of this is, for example, Colombia.
Nestor, we are in agreement. I believe that the misunderstanding came from
me disagreeing with Tony about lumping East Timor in with Kosovo and
Chechnya. The East Timorese had fought for 24yrs to break free of the
repressive Indonesian military, the Indonesian military invaded East Timor
with the approval of the U.S and Australia, and used their weapons to do it.
What I believe happened last year was that because of the timing of the
independence vote and the brutal slaughter that ensued, the U.S was forced
[albeit very slowly and half heartedly] to tell the Indonesians to stop.
When Australia came in because of public pressure at home, that essentially
forced the U.S to stick with this new position. The East Timorese freed
themselves they could have done so without so much pain if the U.S had just
told Jakarta that the game was up. I would never ever support U.S
intervention anywhere in the world in the name of humanitarianism, half of
the worlds current bloodshed is funded and tacitly supported by the U.S.
Under some circumstances I would support a UN protectorate force but only if
it was not under the command of any U.S, French, British, German, Russian,
or Canadian forces.
So that's where I stand.... I think.
Aaron.
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