Nestor said:
> > eh? What gap?
>
> Oh, Mark, the gap that Ho, Mao and Tito had to jump over in order to carry
> their revolutions ahead in spite of opposition from Moscow.
Last year in between bouts of chemotherapy I spent some quality time in the
British Library reading the secret correspondence between Mao and Stalin. I
think I even posted about it at the time. Summing up this and other sources, I
conclude that the notion that Stalin was trying to erect hurdles in the way of
Ho, Mao, Tito etc, is simply defamation.
> > eh? what appeasement?
>
> The one they, obviously, could not get. But they _tried_.
How did they try?
>The problem was that
> the Soviet
> Union exported wishy washy pacifism, what someone here defined as the "pink
> Rooseveltianism" that replaced "red Leninism". And the leaders in the non-
> alligned movement DID oppose this pacifism.
This is remote from any understanding I have of what any of the Great Powers
were up to after the second world war, or the interntaional conjuncture.
> Why, Mark, will you deny the above? Britain was fighting even the
> Mau Maus by
> the early / mid 50s, and the United States did not curb Philipino
> revolution
> before late in the 40s. Wasn't this a concrete expression of
> support, objective
> support, to the Soviet Union.
The Americans ordered Britain to kill off its colonial empire, not the
Russians, although it is true that the order was givenm by Roosevelt to
Churchill in the presence of Stalin: at Tehran in 1943.
The history of relations between the USSR and anti-colonial wars is a complex
one. It is obvious that the USSR provided vast amounts of matertial support
for movements in all the continents, and this continued until at least 1990.
Many Soviet people reasoned they did not get value for money. Perhaps they
were right. Perhaps they should have built up their own economy instead.
Perhaps this might have been a better longterm, service to those very same
anti-colonial etc struggles.
> No evidence supports your view.
Well, start with the name 'Non-aligned' is hardly the heart-wrenching call to
the barricades which gets world revolution started, eh? Imagine Lenin issuing
such calls in 1919: 'Comrades! The great Non-aligned Third International
issues a last urgent appeal to take your holidays among the mountains and
beaches of the Black Sea!'
> Not more wrong the leaders of the USSR, who also believed that the
> USSR would
> survive and outpace the West.
Did they believe that? On the contrary, they were deeply fearful, and rightly
so!
> And, by the way, Tito was not dreaming of 14 million Serbians.
I said 'South Serbs' but meant of course, 'South Slavs' (not quite the same).
Mark
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