@Absurd No, its completely different.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Absurd Minds <[email protected]> wrote: > Hmmm... I hope they don't make it so community servers can no longer run > operation maps, too. That would be the logical conclusion to that line of > thinking. > On Jul 8, 2015 2:25 PM, "Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek" < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Following that rule you wouldn't be allowed to have any custom content >> (maps, models, gamemodes) at all. >> It specifically says "csgo items" with reference to the player's >> inventory, meaning this is about real items with a market value. >> >> Let's not forget why this request exists: OPs allowed players to gain >> access to all items of marketable value (against fees/"donations"). >> >> On 08.07.2015 20:19, Absurd Minds wrote: >> >> I'm not sure. It almost seems like it could go either way. It says >> allowing users to gain access to csgo items that aren't in their inventory. >> I would read that to mean that skins that are not officially part of the >> csgo game/economy can be given on servers. But I don't know. It might >> "devalue" skins of there are better skins available off the market in >> community servers. >> On Jul 8, 2015 2:17 PM, "Wareya" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sorry to whoever I'm quoting in advance; this is off-topic. >>> >>> Is it an alien idea for servers to run plugins that give people... >>> Unique, custom skins? Stuff that isn't part of the CSGO economy in the >>> first place. I remember CS 1.6 servers doing this for years. Do the new >>> CSGO rules disallow things this far? >>> >>> On 7/8/2015 2:04 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek wrote: >>> >>>> I wasn't implying that the community should review the reports and rate >>>> their validity. I was merely referring to the point-giving so players >>>> feel encouraged to keep the community clean. >>>> >>>> On 08.07.2015 19:55, Absurd Minds wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think this would be a horrible idea. Less-than-upstanding >>>>> communities could easily "vote brigade" a server and send their >>>>> players to report competing or more popular servers. We know Valve's >>>>> promise that "all overwatches would be reviewed while in beta before >>>>> any bans are given" was a lie, so I can only assume there would be >>>>> absolutely no oversight on this process as well. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A different idea: >>>>> Since overwatch is out of beta, it gives you rank points for >>>>> accurate reviews. Why not do the same for reporting servers? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 08.07.2015 19:40, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Give people a chance to flag their servers as inapplicable for >>>>>> giving out rank points. This should for example apply to idle >>>>>> servers. If they get caught not complying, they get blacklisted. >>>>>> bb >>>>>> >>>>>> On 08.07.2015 19:03, Absurd Minds wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it would be incredibly difficult (if not impossible) to >>>>>>> implement, though. As Jack M. mentioned, there needs to be some >>>>>>> way to deal with idle servers. And XP is given out based on game >>>>>>> mode + points earned at the end of the match. Something like a >>>>>>> 1v1 server (which is technically generally run in a classic >>>>>>> casual game mode) issues you points based on what arena you're >>>>>>> in. Somebody who goes 35:10 for the whole map and happens to end >>>>>>> in the bottom arena would gain less XP than somebody who just >>>>>>> joined, goes 8:0, and ends in the top arena. Or somebody who >>>>>>> plays 10 minutes in deathmatch would get significantly less XP >>>>>>> than somebody who plays 10 minutes in a FFA deathmatch, just >>>>>>> because they have fewer targets to kill. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It sounded like a good idea while I was typing it, but I think >>>>>>> in practicality, it would either be impossible or it would turn >>>>>>> into something like "You can earn XP on your servers if you have >>>>>>> such-and-such cvars enabled and you're not running this or that >>>>>>> plugin", which would probably upset the community even more. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Geo B. <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Definitely the best compromise ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-07-08 17:00 GMT+02:00 Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek >>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's a nice suggestion! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 08.07.2015 16:58, Absurd Minds wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earning xp is simply just a barrier to entry into >>>>>>>> valve's matchmaking. It would be completely pointless >>>>>>>> if it were allowed on community servers. (However, if >>>>>>>> they made it so after rank three you could earn xp on >>>>>>>> community servers, that would solve both sides of the >>>>>>>> issue.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2015 6:27 AM, "L33TGaming" >>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a server operator myself, in my opinion the best >>>>>>>> way to go about this >>>>>>>> issue would be for Valve to patch the commands that >>>>>>>> server operators use to >>>>>>>> give weapon skins or knives or whatever they >>>>>>>> decide. That way, we know which >>>>>>>> plugin can be used without being worried about >>>>>>>> breaking the rules and >>>>>>>> running in grey areas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alternatively, I suggest a compromise for this >>>>>>>> situation, where servers that >>>>>>>> run weapon skins or knifes plugins are unranked, >>>>>>>> such that players do not >>>>>>>> receive XP, whilst servers that don't run these >>>>>>>> weapon skins or knifes >>>>>>>> plugins and conform to an set of "ranked" rules >>>>>>>> will have XP drops for >>>>>>>> players. 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