Hello,

I recommend Valve to use the server cvar sv_contact and send an email to
every administrator that have configured that cvar. All the information
about last update I've got from a friend that got servers already removed
from master serverlist (but he was selling the skins for RL Money which I
don't do). Also there is now very unfair fight between servers that removed
those plugins and servers that still keep them.

Also I would like to tell my opinion about that thing. CS was always based
on community portals, a lot of people prefer playing on servers where they
can meet new people from same nationality and have some fun with them. Also
a lot of game portals become huge and they start to organize events like
tournaments or lanparties. I think that those steps have a huge impact on
community based portals. Valve should think twice before doing steps to
destroy the community.




On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Neuro Toxin <[email protected]> wrote:

> I feel atm Valve has turned communities against each other.
>
> You have communities respecting Valves wishes while a majority don't.
>
> The communities which comply get angry at others who don't because all
> their traffic is lost.
>
> If a report server option was added for this you would have communities
> complying doing Valves dirty work hunting servers which don't comply to
> report them.
>
> An example of this is water rights in some places like India.
>
> First water is free to take from any river you choose. Next your not
> allowed to. Next farmers can get rights to use water.
>
> You end with farmers literally killing poor families trying to "steal"
> water from "thier" rivers because these families have no other means to
> obtain it.
>
> Valve. Dont ask communities to comply and expect us to be manipulated to
> into fighting with each other.
>
> We are not some fucked up social experiment for your propaganda.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Michael Loveless
> Date:14/07/2015 23:26 (GMT+10:00)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Request to Server Operators
>
> I understand that even as community server operators, many of us are in
> direct competition with each other for traffic, loyal patrons, market
> share, whatever. But at the end of the day we are all part of what is a
> clearly dying breed and I think that in a time like this it's completely
> unnecessary for anyone to come in here to bad mouth others and be
> disrespectful about the potential quality of someone's community because
> they are upset that of all things Valve chooses to contact us about... it's
> regarding non-marketable versions of skins and not about any one of the
> optimization, performance, or gameplay issues that have plagued servers for
> the past 3 years. Not everyone is in a niche environment with their servers
> with die hard community members. Many of us compete in a high demand "game
> mode market" (5v5, dm, 1v1, etc..) that doesn't offer a lot of wiggle room
> for uniqueness to the extent that it completely sets us apart from others.
> Even having little things like vanilla knives which aren't in a player's
> inventory, and obviously doesn't give them a false sense of ownership, are
> just nice little things that don't change the game play experience but
> offer a little extra for players to enjoy while on our servers. Does
> wanting that on our servers, which has ZERO effect on how much money
> friggin Valve makes, mean we should be subject to hate and shit talk from
> people who are essentially doing the same thing we are but have a different
> view on the matter?
>
> We are all struggling for the same thing, a little piece of the pie and to
> create an enjoyable environment doing something we love. The enemy here is
> not each other. Valve may not necessarily be the enemy but there is
> absolutely no denying that they are going out of there way to shut out
> communities and that's what we should be pissed about, not that some people
> want a !knife plugin and others think that we are shitty owners for wanting
> it. We all know how each of the past 2 Operations have been entirely geared
> towards official servers. We all know the new XP system has taken that a
> step further. Those are 2 major obstacles community servers have to
> overcome. Then comes the part about drops. You get something like 4 per
> week on community servers (or outside the XP system), which is perfectly
> fine, but jesus christ can we stop getting 5 Operation-old cases that
> hardly sell for .03 on the market? Couldn't we get a few new collections of
> mostly junk skins to replace the original junk skins (sand dunes,
> contractors, etc.)? How about a NEW E SPORTS CASE? That is a community
> driven product that not only helps community servers, but helps pro players
> and organizations, as well as feeds the most important entity of them
> all...Valve.
>
> What gets me the most is why Valve wants to kill off community servers in
> favor of their own. Their servers are literally an expense. Without ads
> there is zero monetization. Sure, buying the Operation pass is profit and
> can certainly afford them servers...but their servers put another negative
> mark on their already extensive list of reasons why people hate them for
> the things going on in this game. They force players onto these shit casual
> servers where the VAR is literally stuck in the yellow and it feels like
> you are playing on a Gameboy Color. Why is this the experience they want to
> offer millions of players? Not only the poor servers, but all the game
> modes are straight up broken. 10v10 casual with 15+ VAR and 3 minute (feels
> like 3 hours) rounds and team tagging? TEAM deathmatch with basically
> unlimited spawn protection? Gungame where everyone has wallhacks on the
> leader? Communities all offer these experiences but improved in every way,
> shape, and form. Why give 7,920,278 players last month such a god awful
> experience for no reason whatsoever?
>
> Sorry for the wall but it's really unfair that people are in here bad
> mouthing others when we are all in the same fight with a company who let us
> keep their game alive for 12 years while they did nothing then essentially
> stole all the community ideas, monetized them while giving minimal profit
> share (yes, minimal is better than the none they were making before), and
> are now telling us what we can and can't do with the things we developed
> and worked hard towards. Comon guys, yall are better than this. YOU TOO
> VALVE, I know behind the name you are actual people a with conscience. You
> are doing just fine, stop making life harder for us PLEASE.
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Freehugs <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the update!
>>
>> We'll have these plugins removed from our servers by the end of the week
>> :)
>>
>>
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