You’re looking at outdated data. As communities as a whole moved into an
entirely different direction, community websites don’t really matter anymore.
Most communications go through alternative platforms nowadays – such as
discord. If you looked a bit further you also see that registration
possibilities are closed, as it merely functions as an archive.
I can proudly let you know however, that this summer, we’ll have our 11th
annual game community meet up. Something we’ve done yearly and we’ll keep doing
so. Our community lives on, I have no worries about that – it just isn’t in the
ways it used to (with an up2date website for example).
Also if you really want to know, the donations counter is broken – you’ll need
to refresh your page before it loads.
Feel free to think whatever you like. I am just talking from experience. I’ve
been around since the launch of HL1, and have a long history on this list
(before spa – dumbclan). Dig into the HLDS (linux) archives and be amazed.
Also I think I am still listed as top donor on sourcemod after all these years.
A simple “10% of our income in donations goes to projects we use to support
them”. See how this world (used?) to work?
I am not saying you have to listen, I am just pointing things out and voicing
my opinion. If you don’t like that, fine with me, I won’t sleep any less over
From: Csgo_servers [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On
Behalf Of Andrew Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating
servers, on website
Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how community
servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life community operating
experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks they should, they should
die a painful death, their owners probably should too huh?
Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on
donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you can
see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of
$160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I
can't. It absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website
(circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is running
during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than enough happy
supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned money to his obviously
well maintained community, as opposed to spending their money on other games,
skins, or things that help them ensure their thirst for instant gratification
And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough to come
to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how communities should
be operated. His 2 CSGO servers (
https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming with
popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is sparing his
precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and throwing off personal
Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty good
amount and that at least 1 is popular (
https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here is that
same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server browser where I added
all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how only 1 of them is even online,
it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6
And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker (I tried
every combination of special attack names to make sure this was accurate):
So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do is show up
here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something special. Spoiler
alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar until you come flapping
your gums. Your non existent servers are empty. Your forums are dead. Donations
don't exist outside of you donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin
UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar donation show
up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are you sending the lunch
money your mom gave you to your donations so it looks like someone cares? Lol =D
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds <goabs...@absurdminds.net> wrote:
Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe
(but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago
community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in
Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a
lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not
providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any
community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers
run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one
market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to
generalize as if they do.
On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <sai...@specialattack.net> wrote:
I've been running gaming communities since 1999.
That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years.
Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with.
A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple
economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem
surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make
money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.
I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their
wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.
Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for
the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying
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