Jan, thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts as well
@Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I was not really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue but am still -1 in changing the name Cheers Andy On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for non-threaded MUAs > :/ > > > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > I was replying to this thread: > > > > Andy: > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my whatever > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a > rename > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ... > > > > Noah: > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically. > > > > Andy: > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see the > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML who > think > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the name > and > > clarify the situation as often as possible > > > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name. > >> > >> Best > >> Jan > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> No, because of the name. > >>> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and shows no signs > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly coming up > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on. > >>>> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so. > >>>> > >>>> Best > >>>> Jan > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see > the > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML > who think > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the > name and > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my > whatever > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get > with a > >>>>>>> rename > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <jason.h.sm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake out an > arbitrary > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names): > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of problems. But it > is worth > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time to do it, > if it > >>>>>>> is to > >>>>>>>>> be done. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater < > nsla...@apache.org> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now. (cf. > Max > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes < > kevin.r.coom...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already "cooked" into > >>>>>>>>> everything > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and hard copy > >>>>>>> references) > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How long do > you > >>>>>>> want > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward users from > the > >>>>>>>>> current > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. And the > last > >>>>>>>>> time I > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or blue.... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble" <br...@us.ibm.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB* > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith ---10/30/2014 > >>>>>>> 04:40:26 > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater > <nslater@apache > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at > 12:52 AM, > >>>>>>>>> Noah > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice. :) But the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <jason.h.sm...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <dev@couchdb.apache.org> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater < > nsla...@apache.org> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change the name > too. > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time. It's > >>>>>>>>> important > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand, and > changing it > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's done we > will > >>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>> wonder > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much of that > strength > >>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will get tons > of > >>>>>>>>>> attention > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that already > isn't > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of branding > baggage and > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany > >>>>>>>> RockIt! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Noah Slater > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Andy Wenk > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany > >>>>>> RockIt! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Noah Slater > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Noah Slater > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Noah Slater > > https://twitter.com/nslater > > -- Andy Wenk Hamburg - Germany RockIt! 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