I was replying to this thread: Andy: > sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my whatever vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a rename .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
Noah: > Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically. Andy: > I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see the situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML who think it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the name and clarify the situation as often as possible On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name. > > Best > Jan > -- > > > >> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> No, because of the name. >> >> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and shows no signs >>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly coming up >>>> on social media, in person, and so on. >>> >>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so. >>> >>> Best >>> Jan >>> -- >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see the >>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML who >>>>> think >>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the name >>>>> and >>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my whatever >>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a >>>>>> rename >>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <jason.h.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake out an >>>>>>>> arbitrary >>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eight Ball >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of problems. But it is >>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time to do it, if it >>>>>> is to >>>>>>>> be done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now. (cf. Max >>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <kevin.r.coom...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already "cooked" into >>>>>>>> everything >>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and hard copy >>>>>> references) >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How long do you >>>>>> want >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward users from the >>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. And the last >>>>>>>> time I >>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or blue.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble" <br...@us.ibm.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB* >>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith ---10/30/2014 >>>>>> 04:40:26 >>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache >>>>>>>>> ]Jason >>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, >>>>>>>> Noah >>>>>>>>>>> Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice. :) But the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <jason.h.sm...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <dev@couchdb.apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change the name too. >>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time. It's >>>>>>>> important >>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand, and changing it >>>>>> in >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's done we will >>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> wonder >>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much of that strength >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will get tons of >>>>>>>>> attention >>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that already isn't >>>>>>>>> enough, we >>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of branding baggage and >>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Noah Slater >>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Andy Wenk >>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany >>>>>>> RockIt! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Noah Slater >>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Andy Wenk >>>>> Hamburg - Germany >>>>> RockIt! >>>>> >>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >>>>> >>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Noah Slater >>>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Noah Slater >> https://twitter.com/nslater > -- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater
