On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <[email protected] > > > >> wrote: > >> > Hello All, > >> > > >> > We could make a poll with 3 items: > >> > >> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate > >> user threads] > >> > >> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature in > >> > nightly build > >> > >> +1 > >> > > > > Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling > > > >> > >> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think > sebb > >> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that > >> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I > >> wonder > >> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it > >> > >> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice? > >> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner. > >> > >> Here's a screenshot: > >> > >> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png > >> > > > > Nice one > > > >> > >> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all > >> agree that the new icon is better. > >> > >> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to > add a > >> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < 2.12 > >> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that we > >> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing > >> > >> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the > >> change in behaviour? > >> > >> It will depend on how the information is presented. > >> > > > > What about this: > > > > When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache then: > > - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response code > > with empty content was returned as a SampleResult > > - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more > SampleResult > > will be created (this is inline with what browser do) > > > > This change will affect: > > - the number of Samples in results > > - the average, median response time reported > > > > We propose 2 options to handle this: > > (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <= > 2.11 > > behaviour > > (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour > > > > Please vote depending on what would be better for you. > > > > Or maybe we could use a doodle ? > > On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the > behaviour is the obvious thing to do. > Adding the property does not need a vote. > > Ok
> However, I'm not sure we should change the default. > There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not > unhappy with the current behaviour. > Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager. > No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list. As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion: https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264 And see this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3ccah9fupyxz8+jxzp48l37yxa_vxntoq4ghmhibg6kopfofe-...@mail.gmail.com%3E So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed. > Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible one. > It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely. > > For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup cache and not hit server and not return 204. 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case. > > > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Philippe > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit : > >> >> > Hello, > >> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one. > >> >> > > >> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a > better > >> >> option > >> >> > even if it's not really a wizard. > >> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think > >> which > >> >> > does not encourage its usage. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thoughts ? > >> >> > >> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems > introduce > >> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not > several > >> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software). > >> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best > icon?) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Regards > >> >> > Philippe > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit : > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit : > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open; > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more > >> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, > >> >> Template=>New > >> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test > plan > >> >> that I > >> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter). > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will > >> likely > >> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly.. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't > know > >> if > >> >> we > >> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this). > >> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in > >> future, > >> >> the > >> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can > change > >> >> easily > >> >> >> the order. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Milamber > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> and we need to drop the New > >> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad < > >> [email protected]> > >> >> >>>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote: > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit : > >> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit : > >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a > dedicated > >> >> button > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this > >> action > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0). > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different > >> colors), > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician". > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard > in > >> the > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) : > >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/< > http://www. > >> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very > >> >> difficult > >> >> >>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >>>>>>>>> find a > >> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" > bahavior. > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed. > >> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following? > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http:// > >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/ > >> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png> > >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary > . > >> >> >>>>>>>> > sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png > >> > > >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http:// > >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/ > >> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update > >> >> >>>>>>>> : > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page: > >> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www. > >> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at > this > >> >> >>>>>>> position. > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in > >> the > >> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar: > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/< > http://www > >> . > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just > after > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open", > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection > >> and > >> >> Cut. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color? > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1] > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./ > >> <http:/ > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >> >> >>>>>> Cordialement. > >> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Cordialement. > >> > Philippe Mouawad. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Cordialement. > > Philippe Mouawad. > -- Cordialement. Philippe Mouawad.
