On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <[email protected] > > > >> wrote: > >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad < > [email protected] > >> > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Hello All, > >> >> > > >> >> > We could make a poll with 3 items: > >> >> > >> >> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate > >> >> user threads] > >> >> > >> >> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature > in > >> >> > nightly build > >> >> > >> >> +1 > >> >> > >> > > >> > Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I > think > >> sebb > >> >> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is > that > >> >> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so > I > >> >> wonder > >> >> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it > >> >> > >> >> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice? > >> >> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner. > >> >> > >> >> Here's a screenshot: > >> >> > >> >> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png > >> >> > >> > > >> > Nice one > >> > > >> >> > >> >> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all > >> >> agree that the new icon is better. > >> >> > >> >> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to > >> add a > >> >> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < > 2.12 > >> >> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that > we > >> >> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing > >> >> > >> >> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the > >> >> change in behaviour? > >> >> > >> >> It will depend on how the information is presented. > >> >> > >> > > >> > What about this: > >> > > >> > When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache > then: > >> > - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response > code > >> > with empty content was returned as a SampleResult > >> > - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more > >> SampleResult > >> > will be created (this is inline with what browser do) > >> > > >> > This change will affect: > >> > - the number of Samples in results > >> > - the average, median response time reported > >> > > >> > We propose 2 options to handle this: > >> > (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <= > >> 2.11 > >> > behaviour > >> > (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour > >> > > >> > Please vote depending on what would be better for you. > >> > > >> > Or maybe we could use a doodle ? > >> > >> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the > >> behaviour is the obvious thing to do. > >> Adding the property does not need a vote. > >> > >> Ok > > > >> However, I'm not sure we should change the default. > >> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not > >> unhappy with the current behaviour. > >> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager. > >> > > > > No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list. > > It would help to link to these on the Bug report. > > > As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion: > > https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264 > > > > And see this: > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content > > https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3ccah9fupyxz8+jxzp48l37yxa_vxntoq4ghmhibg6kopfofe-...@mail.gmail.com%3E > > This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather than > no sample at all. > > You mean the last one ?
> > So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed. > > > > > >> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible > one. > >> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely. > >> > >> > > For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup > > cache and not hit server and not return 204. > > 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case. > > Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would > return the cache entry. > Yes but it would not return 204. 204 is a code that means server returned an empty response , but server was hit so clearly wrong in this case. > > Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do. > Why ? for me it means no request occured which is what happens for the browser and on client <=> server dialog (which jmeter mimics) > > There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache hit. > Yes because in this case , HTTP is not involved as no Request occurs > I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest. > > JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing servers. > So I think what is important here is to generate results that can be > analysed to show the appropriate performance figures. > Not returning any sample when cache is hit is the right option for me for the reason I described above. > If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server, then I > agree that cached responses can be ignored. > But if one is interested in the client load that the server can > support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits. > Yes this could be useful. > > An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache hit. > Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently cache the > content. > > Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status? > > Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content. > You mean https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53540 ? > What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an > actual server request? > > Could you give more details on this through an example ? > > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Regards > >> >> > Philippe > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit : > >> >> >> > Hello, > >> >> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a > >> better > >> >> >> option > >> >> >> > even if it's not really a wizard. > >> >> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I > think > >> >> which > >> >> >> > does not encourage its usage. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Thoughts ? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems > >> introduce > >> >> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not > >> several > >> >> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software). > >> >> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best > >> icon?) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Regards > >> >> >> > Philippe > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <[email protected] > > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit : > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit : > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open; > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's > more > >> >> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, > >> >> >> Template=>New > >> >> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test > >> plan > >> >> >> that I > >> >> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter). > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will > >> >> likely > >> >> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly.. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't > >> know > >> >> if > >> >> >> we > >> >> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this). > >> >> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in > >> >> future, > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can > >> change > >> >> >> easily > >> >> >> >> the order. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Milamber > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> and we need to drop the New > >> >> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second. > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad < > >> >> [email protected]> > >> >> >> >>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit : > >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit : > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <[email protected] > > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a > >> dedicated > >> >> >> button > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to > this > >> >> action > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0). > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different > >> >> colors), > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician". > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a > Wizard > >> in > >> >> the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) : > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/< > >> http://www. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very > >> >> >> difficult > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> find a > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" > >> bahavior. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following? > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http:// > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/ > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png< > http://openiconlibrary > >> . > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png > >> >> > > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http:// > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/ > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> : > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page: > >> >> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/< > http://www. > >> >> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at > >> this > >> >> >> >>>>>>> position. > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of > position in > >> >> the > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/< > >> http://www > >> >> . > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just > >> after > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open", > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save > Selection > >> >> and > >> >> >> Cut. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the > best > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color? > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1] > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./ > >> >> <http:/ > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >> >> >> >>>>>> Cordialement. > >> >> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad. > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Cordialement. > >> >> > Philippe Mouawad. > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Cordialement. > >> > Philippe Mouawad. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Cordialement. > > Philippe Mouawad. > -- Cordialement. Philippe Mouawad.
