On 8 September 2014 11:56, Philippe Mouawad <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad <[email protected] >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hello All, >> >> > >> >> > We could make a poll with 3 items: >> >> >> >> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate >> >> user threads] >> >> >> >> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature in >> >> > nightly build >> >> >> >> +1 >> >> >> > >> > Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling >> > >> >> >> >> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think >> sebb >> >> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that >> >> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I >> >> wonder >> >> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it >> >> >> >> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice? >> >> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner. >> >> >> >> Here's a screenshot: >> >> >> >> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png >> >> >> > >> > Nice one >> > >> >> >> >> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all >> >> agree that the new icon is better. >> >> >> >> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to >> add a >> >> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < 2.12 >> >> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that we >> >> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing >> >> >> >> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the >> >> change in behaviour? >> >> >> >> It will depend on how the information is presented. >> >> >> > >> > What about this: >> > >> > When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache then: >> > - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response code >> > with empty content was returned as a SampleResult >> > - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more >> SampleResult >> > will be created (this is inline with what browser do) >> > >> > This change will affect: >> > - the number of Samples in results >> > - the average, median response time reported >> > >> > We propose 2 options to handle this: >> > (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <= >> 2.11 >> > behaviour >> > (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour >> > >> > Please vote depending on what would be better for you. >> > >> > Or maybe we could use a doodle ? >> >> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the >> behaviour is the obvious thing to do. >> Adding the property does not need a vote. >> >> Ok > >> However, I'm not sure we should change the default. >> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not >> unhappy with the current behaviour. >> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager. >> > > No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list.
It would help to link to these on the Bug report. > As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion: > https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264 > > And see this: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content > https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3ccah9fupyxz8+jxzp48l37yxa_vxntoq4ghmhibg6kopfofe-...@mail.gmail.com%3E This suggests returning a sample with a different status, rather than no sample at all. > So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed. > > >> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible one. >> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely. >> >> > For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup > cache and not hit server and not return 204. > 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case. Perhaps, but JMeter is not a browser, and anyway a browser would return the cache entry. Not returning a sample is not necessarily the correct thing to do. There is no unique HTTP status that corresponds to a local cache hit. I assume that it was decided to use 204 as being the closest. JMeter is not a browser; it is primarily intended for testing servers. So I think what is important here is to generate results that can be analysed to show the appropriate performance figures. If you are only interested in the samples that hit the server, then I agree that cached responses can be ignored. But if one is interested in the client load that the server can support, it would be useful to be able to record cache hits. An alternative would be to return 200 (cache) for a local cache hit. Though this is not ideal given that JMeter does not currently cache the content. Maybe JMeter could return a currently unused status? Suppose JMeter were enhanced to cache the response content. What status should it return? How would one distinguish it from an actual server request? > >> > >> >> > >> >> > Regards >> >> > Philippe >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit : >> >> >> > Hello, >> >> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a >> better >> >> >> option >> >> >> > even if it's not really a wizard. >> >> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think >> >> which >> >> >> > does not encourage its usage. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thoughts ? >> >> >> >> >> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems >> introduce >> >> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not >> several >> >> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software). >> >> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best >> icon?) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Regards >> >> >> > Philippe >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit : >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open; >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more >> >> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, >> >> >> Template=>New >> >> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test >> plan >> >> >> that I >> >> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter). >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will >> >> likely >> >> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly.. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't >> know >> >> if >> >> >> we >> >> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this). >> >> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in >> >> future, >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can >> change >> >> >> easily >> >> >> >> the order. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Milamber >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> and we need to drop the New >> >> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second. >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad < >> >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit : >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit : >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a >> dedicated >> >> >> button >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this >> >> action >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0). >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different >> >> colors), >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician". >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard >> in >> >> the >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) : >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/< >> http://www. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very >> >> >> difficult >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> find a >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" >> bahavior. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed. >> >> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following? >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http:// >> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/ >> >> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png<http://openiconlibrary >> . >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png >> >> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http:// >> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/ >> >> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update >> >> >> >>>>>>>> : >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page: >> >> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www. >> >> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at >> this >> >> >> >>>>>>> position. >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position in >> >> the >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/< >> http://www >> >> . >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just >> after >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open", >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save Selection >> >> and >> >> >> Cut. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the best >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1] >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./ >> >> <http:/ >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >> >> >>>>>> Cordialement. >> >> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Cordialement. >> >> > Philippe Mouawad. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Cordialement. >> > Philippe Mouawad. >> > > > > -- > Cordialement. > Philippe Mouawad.
