On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Philippe Mouawad < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 7 September 2014 19:49, Philippe Mouawad <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> On 6 September 2014 22:44, Philippe Mouawad < >> [email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hello All, >> >> > >> >> > We could make a poll with 3 items: >> >> >> >> [This should have been a new thread, and all these should be separate >> >> user threads] >> >> >> >> > 1) Ask Early users to test and give feedback on Undo/Redo feature in >> >> > nightly build >> >> >> >> +1 >> > Maybe we should put a fully bundled version to ease test for users. Otherwise they will need to setup a nightly build and it is always error prone for people who do not read the manual :-) Or maybe we should change build procedure to generate a full bundle instead of lib + bin. I always wondered why nightly was distributed that way. > >> >> > >> > Let me just finish the Toolbar enabling/disabling >> > >> >> >> >> > 2) Make a poll on the "Template" icon ? I agree with you and I think >> sebb >> >> > had raised this when initially icon was a wizard. My concern is that >> >> > current icon may not be clear or "known" in other applications, so I >> >> wonder >> >> > if new user or even usual user have the idea of using it >> >> >> >> Perhaps see if we could use the Templates icon from OpenOffice? >> >> This looks like a piece of paper with a star in the top left corner. >> >> >> >> Here's a screenshot: >> >> >> >> http://people.apache.org/~sebb/JMeter/Templates.png >> >> >> > >> > Nice one >> > Where can we find it ? > > >> >> >> >> I don't think we necessarily need a poll on this, so long as we all >> >> agree that the new icon is better. >> >> >> >> > 3) Make a poll (As sebb proposed in another thread) on the need to >> add a >> >> > user property for bugzilla 54778, to allow users to revert to < 2.12 >> >> > behaviour. My opinion based on previous versions behaviour is that we >> >> > should introduce this , asking community may be confusing >> >> >> >> If they are confused by the choice, won't they be confused by the >> >> change in behaviour? >> >> >> >> It will depend on how the information is presented. >> >> >> > >> > What about this: >> > >> > When using Cache Manager in JMeter. If a resource is found in cache >> then: >> > - Up to version 2.11, no request hits the server and a 204 response code >> > with empty content was returned as a SampleResult >> > - Starting from 2.12, no request hits the server, but no more >> SampleResult >> > will be created (this is inline with what browser do) >> > >> > This change will affect: >> > - the number of Samples in results >> > - the average, median response time reported >> > >> > We propose 2 options to handle this: >> > (1) Add the possibility through a JMeter property to revert back to <= >> 2.11 >> > behaviour >> > (2) No JMeter property to revert back to <= 2.11 behaviour >> > >> > Please vote depending on what would be better for you. >> > >> > Or maybe we could use a doodle ? >> >> On reflection, I agree that providing a property to select the >> behaviour is the obvious thing to do. >> Adding the property does not need a vote. >> >> Ok > >> However, I'm not sure we should change the default. >> There have been no external bug reports, so presumably users are not >> unhappy with the current behaviour. >> Or perhaps hardly anyone uses the Cache Manager. >> > > No clearly there has been reports but not on mailing list. > As far as I remember I opened this bug after a twitter discussion: > https://twitter.com/Scooletz/status/317252989003915264 > > And see this: > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17694151/jmeter-response-code-204-and-cant-get-content > https://flood.io/blog/18-understanding-the-jmeter-cache > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201303.mbox/%3ccah9fupyxz8+jxzp48l37yxa_vxntoq4ghmhibg6kopfofe-...@mail.gmail.com%3E > > So for me returning 204 is clearly a bug that must be fixed. > I added property. > > > >> Also, I wonder whether the fix for the bug report is the only possible >> one. >> It seems odd to drop the sample result entirely. >> >> > For me dropping sample is fine as in this case , a browser would lookup > cache and not hit server and not return 204. > 204 is a particular code that does not meet this case. > > >> > >> >> > >> >> > Regards >> >> > Philippe >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Milamber <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Le 31/08/2014 13:22, Philippe Mouawad a ecrit : >> >> >> > Hello, >> >> >> > I wonder if the current icon for Templates is the right one. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The first icon which was a kind of wizard seems to me maybe a >> better >> >> >> option >> >> >> > even if it's not really a wizard. >> >> >> > The current icon is kind of "unknown" in the mind of users I think >> >> which >> >> >> > does not encourage its usage. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thoughts ? >> >> >> >> >> >> No problem for me for change icon, but the Wizard icon seems >> introduce >> >> >> some confusion to the users (the template box is just 1 box, not >> several >> >> >> steps to construct a test plan like a "wizard" in a software). >> >> >> Perhaps ask on user mailing list (make a poll to choice the best >> icon?) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Regards >> >> >> > Philippe >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Milamber <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Le 13/07/2013 22:15, sebb a ecrit : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 13 July 2013 22:32, Milamber <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> Le 13/07/2013 20:58, sebb a ecrit : >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>> +1, but I think it should be after Open; >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Sincerely, I prefer the template icon after New icon. It's more >> >> >> >>>> user-friendly in my mind. New=>New test plan from scratch, >> >> >> Template=>New >> >> >> >>>> test(or merge) to help end / beginner user, Open=>Open a test >> plan >> >> >> that I >> >> >> >>>> create (I'm pass the first steps to use JMeter). >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Unless there are plenty of templates for the user, they will >> >> likely >> >> >> >>> ignore the Template button very quickly.. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> The Template behavior is a new functionality of JMeter, I can't >> know >> >> if >> >> >> we >> >> >> >> will have a plenty of templates (I hope this). >> >> >> >> I would like commit with "New|Template|Open" in toolbar. If in >> >> future, >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> users brings some misunderstand on this order/toolbar, we can >> change >> >> >> easily >> >> >> >> the order. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Milamber >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> and we need to drop the New >> >> >> >>>>> icon (Bug 55258) - so it will still be second. >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> On 13 July 2013 19:37, Philippe Mouawad < >> >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> +1 for app office >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 13, 2013, Milamber wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Le 13/07/2013 16:29, sebb a ecrit : >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 13 July 2013 17:05, Milamber <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Le 12/07/2013 14:10, sebb a ecrit : >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 12 July 2013 09:07, Milamber <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I thinks the new ability of Templates can have a >> dedicated >> >> >> button >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Toolbar. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I saw the Open Icon Library [1] to find a icon to this >> >> action >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (with >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> license >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BT-SA 3.0). >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> CC-BY-SA >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I found two icons (the same but with two different >> >> colors), >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is a >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> magic >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wand. In the sense of "magician". >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure the Template system is anything like a Wizard >> in >> >> the >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> normal >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> computing sense. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think it's misleading to use a wand here. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Basically it's a selection from a list. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've update with other icon (CC-BY-SA) : >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/< >> http://www. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> The open icon library provide great icons, but it's very >> >> >> difficult >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> find a >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> good icon with the good license for the "templates" >> bahavior. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, indeed. >> >> >> >>>>>>>> What about one of the following? >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/categories/applications-**office.png<http:// >> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/ >> >> >> >>>>>>>> categories/applications-office.png> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/archive-insert-**3.png< >> http://openiconlibrary. >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/archive-insert-3.png >> >> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./** >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Icons/actions/document-import-**2.pngve<http:// >> >> >> >>>>>>>> openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./Icons/actions/ >> >> >> >>>>>>>> document-import-2.pngve>update >> >> >> >>>>>>>> : >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I've update the page: >> >> >> >>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/<http://www >> . >> >> >> >>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> The application-office icon seems very good ? +1 for me at >> this >> >> >> >>>>>>> position. >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> You can see the render here and 2 proposal of position >> in >> >> the >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> toolbar: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.milamberspace.net/**toolbar-template/< >> http://www >> >> . >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> milamberspace.net/toolbar-template/> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think any icon belongs either just before or just >> after >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Open", >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> i.e. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Template, Open >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> New, Open, Template >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It does not seem logical to have it between Save >> Selection >> >> and >> >> >> Cut. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is your opinion? need to find a new icon? the >> best >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> position/color? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Milamber >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> [1] >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://openiconlibrary.**sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./ >> >> <http:/ >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> /openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/gallery2/?./> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >> >> >>>>>> Cordialement. >> >> >> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Cordialement. >> >> > Philippe Mouawad. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Cordialement. >> > Philippe Mouawad. >> > > > > -- > Cordialement. > Philippe Mouawad. > > > -- Cordialement. Philippe Mouawad.
