>- see footer for list info -< I don't have flame thrower to hand, Charlie, but I don't disagree with everything you say. However, MS aren't expensive when it comes to most of their products. Using volume licensing (volume does not mean you need to buy lots of licenses) you can stick Windows 2003 Std on your server running IIS6 and .NET, load balancing, etc for under $300 a year. And when Windows Server 2008 and IIS7 are released you can upgrade at no cost.
While you can use MySQL to power websites very effectively, some clients feel safer if you use Oracle or MS SQL. That's something they're willing to pay for because of reputation and branding and you can license SQL Std for just over $3K/year. Okay, it's not their Ent product (man, that is expensive!) but for redundancy you can use mirroring to ensure your other SQL servers are kept in sync at all times. So you don't need to spend a fortune on non-Adobe products to get a lot of good software running a serious operation. I would never deny Adobe the income to pay for the excellent development work of CF Ent, or indeed a profit! But what they're doing is pricing it high and selling less copies. They probably know how many copies they expect to sell. It will be the usual people buying CF8 - loyalists and others who haven't taught themselves .NET for whatever reasons (I'm one of them!). So in order to recoup their costs they can work out how much it needs to be priced at - that's why it's gone up. The other model is to drop the price and expect increased sales. Sales could increase to a level where they're making more money because of reaching businesses who had previously rejected CF as too expensive, and it would be more affordable to whack in extra web servers running CF. With their current model they will not increase sales and they know it. If they thought they could introduce CF to new customers they'd come up with a strong marketing campaign, but at the current price it won't turn heads so any marketing would be a waste of money. Adobe could choose to make money mostly from development tools. This is something MS have done for years with their Studio line of products which probably subsidises the zero-cost of using .NET. I still use Dreamweaver and will continue to buy it so long as it keeps up with CF's features, although I am tempted by CFEclipse. Adobe need to innovate and come back with a faster version of DW that doesn't screw up CF code under some circumstances. Gary. On 7/31/07, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >- see footer for list info -< > And isn't that interesting: MS can afford to offer responsive, free > support > by employing an army of people. How do they pay them? The money comes from > somewhere. They own the OS. People pay for that. They own the desktop app > space, people pay for that. It's like the web app development is a loss > leader. They can give it away because they make money elsewhere. > > Is it fair, then, to deride Adobe for charging (even a fair bit) for CF? > Where should they get the money to pay their development and support > staff? > In fact, they instead own the RIA space (for now), but Flash doesn't bring > much direct revenue to Adobe I imagine, and Flex is pretty much free. > > I think we just have to recognize that we can't expect Adobe to give away > CF. The model and economics just don't suit it. I do wish folks would stop > moaning about the price. It is what it is. There are so many good things > about CF8. Either take it or leave it. > > OK, let me slip into my flame retardant suit. I'm sure peeping up like > this > could bring all manner of flames and arrows upon me. Just felt it needed > to > be said in response to that last sentence below. > > /charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:33 AM > To: Coldfusion Development > Subject: Re: [CF-Dev] CF8 launched - prices get hiked > > >- see footer for list info -< > Hi Jatin. No, there's nothing complex about it. I'm using one of their > volume licensing schemes and it's 1 license per server, no strings > attached > (at least not for running > > <snip> > > Even their free support service is very responsive. Mind you, they can > afford to employ an army of support people. > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > -- > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help > -< > _______________________________________________ For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo -- CFDeveloper Sponsors:- >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help -<
