Hear hear - I also note another aspect of Cf-Dev work that’s missed out so often
And that’s the ability to manage and run your application after development. A real understanding and ability to manage a cold fusion server on its own right is a skill many Cfdeveoplers I have met simple just don’t have, I have to many times been on the end of a support call listening to "others" cry out in help that there application doesn’t work and it must be the server, only to spend a hour or so looking and note it is in fact there CODE that is the issue - Professional pride in your job and the ability to stand by your work might not win you a bigger salary at the end of the day but it sure makes your job easier - Paul CFMX Hosting Phone: 0845 456 3487 Tech Support: 0906 9607800 FAX: 0709 2212 636 WEB: cfmxhosting.co.uk >Please use the support helpdesk on our web site to submit support tickets.< Join our ColdFusion Developer discussion lists. Send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Paul Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 January 2004 13:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CF Salaries MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING!!! That's what the IT industry is all about. Buzzwords, the next big thing etc. That's where the good salaries come from for permie jobs. As far as I'm concerned, I work for myself and don't employ anyone (except on a per-job basis where necessary). I recruit for that from friends whom I know and trust and who have shown that they have decent sklls. Should I have to delve into the job market now, I would certainly not advertise for a CF programmer. Why? CF is NOT a particularly difficult programming language. It's just not! To employ someone who actually has the skills to build websites and to produce decent code, would actually mean employing a coder with decent all-round skills who understands what OO really is, and why it's useful, and someone can actually code in more than one language competently. I just don't believe that CF is a particularly useful commodity. What else is required to be a decent CF programmer? Off the Top of my head: SQL Server/Oracle/MySQL (at the very least SQL and some experience using it) Web Server (pref Apache because it teached fundamentals whilst using it, but if not IIS) OO - pref Java (to allow GOOD writing of CFC's etc) Documentation and/or well written self-documenting code (obvious) Etc... It's by no means a complete list, but tbh it's something that puts a lot of CF programmers I've come across in the past out in the cold. Programming and Development are far less about languages and far more about development skills and the ability to learn. Just my 2p Paul -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 08/01/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 08/01/2004
