On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 21:55, Alex Karasulu wrote: > Jason, > > > > Where has the discussion on this taken place? > > > > Almost entirely on IRC as we often do. But we do have a mailing list > > that we occasionally use (which is not public) but mostly on IRC. > > Unfortunately because of we have had comments in our IRC logs showing up > > in various blogs we had to turn off logging for the sake of personal > > privacy. > > Can you guys start discussing these matters on a public list so > others can participate in the discussion or at least follow the trend?
We will when we are ready and when we feel it is appropriate. Releasing code in an entirely embryonic stage is almost always not worth the effort. We are bringing the code to the point where a meaningful discussion can actually begin. As soon as we go through the motions in the Maven PMC the code will be dropped somewhere to look at. > > We've basically gone through 3 refactorings and are now happy the code > > and are ready to make plans to integrate it into Maven proper. Currently > > discussions are underway by the Maven PMC and when we have finished our > > discussions we would be glad to share our thoughts with the community. > > I have been very interested in building an Avalon component > version of Maven for the longest time and as you know Dion > pointed out the work you have been doing on maven-new. Yah, unfortunately I got stopped dead in my tracks, but I recently got going again. > > The last time I spoke to you your response seemed hurried and > that you did not have time to even respond to me. Yah, not a good time when that message hit the list. > And I > understand that you are a very busy guy - I see all the > products of your labor and would not want to slow you down. > But my point is if the discussion were made public the community > could listen, follow and even participate in the discussion. > I guess I want to be more informed about this maven 'service' > direction but that takes a public forum if you are on the > outside like myself. What we are trying to do is bring the code to some level of maturity so that people can experiment without hitting a brick wall in 2 seconds. You see the messages that float around and I want, at all costs, to prevent frustration with the next generation of Maven. A big part of that is good coverage consisting meaningful tests. To allow people to experiment in safety and with meaningful tests you can understand how the system works. Currently Plexus has 94% coverage but I'm still trying to clarify many tests so someone can actually learn something by looking at them. The same goes with Wagon. But even with this Wagon will be clearly marked alpha because we are anticipating some changes that will be brought about by the scrutiny of the user community. I have tossed a lot of half-baked code into CVS and it just doesn't work out. I have many disasters under my belt to show for it. I look forward to user feedback and queries but code must pass a certain threshold of quality before public consumption ensues. > Alex > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
