On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 03:19, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > >On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 18:54, Stephen McConnell wrote: > > > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I like to work in a team. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>+1 > >> > >> > > > >Steve, you are an oracle of sage advice. > > > > Thank you .. > > Just between you and I .. > It's good to get positive feedback from time to time! > > > However, I would suggest that you look more closely at you own role and > value to Apache rather than mine in terms of value contribution. You > have in the past provided an important contribution to the Maven project > and through this, a sense of what what it means to collaborate in the > real sense of the word.
You don't know what that word means. No one has every lobbied as hard as you to get someone thrown out of Apache in addition to carrying out a compaign to eradicate and existing solution to replace it with their own. You use the argument of community but your motives are entirely suspect. > I know that you agree with me with respect to > our sentiments concerning the development of Apache, and general > collaboration across respective Apache communities. No we definitely don't have the same sentiment. I basically believe in mind your own damn business whereas you continually bludgeon everyone you can with the Avalon/Merlin bat. I don't wander on to mailing lists that I have nothing to do with and try to shove my endeavours down other people's throats. I'll name the specific instance of Cocoon in the recent past. If projects want to use Avalon they will. It's already started here with your short and sweet message that was something to the effect of: "I have something to add to the board report but it's not politically correct." Which I believe was a direct result of me telling you on JContainer list that I wasn't interested in Avalon. And I'm going to take a wild guess and say that your politically incorrect diatribe would be something to the effect of Maven not using Apache solutions i.e. if Maven is going to be container based then it should use Avalon/Merlin. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. At any rate, strictly out of a matter of principle I would never touch Avalon now simply because you are there: the way in which you interacted with Peter Donald was repugnant. Additionally the container landscape outside Apache is rife with equally if not better container solutions. You being in Avalon is also one of the reasons I considered leaving Apache entirely. But I am going to stick it out here while at the same time drawing attention to what I think is wrong at Apache and I think you're one of those things that is wrong. > While we probably > have differences of opinions concerning PMC due-diligence and aspect > relating to ownership and control - I remain confident that you have the > potential to set an example for other project here in Apache to follow. I definitely intend to try and set an example of a project that is healthy and concerns itself with its own endeavours and remains out of the affairs of other projects. To let projects decide of their own accord what tools they wish to use. I hope you start doing the same. > > Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
