I would also like to contribute my frustration with the current build
process. It's great the alpha releases are coming out often, but I
cannot possibly be testing them at the frequency you guys are
currently tagging and voting. I thought the "once a week" alpha was a
good idea until it actually happened. If you guys voted once every
three weeks, it would be much easier for me to participate. I wonder
if others believe the same.

Paul

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
> Let's not beat the dead horse. No one cares. There's not good reason for not
> releasing something immediately if there are fixes available. That's just
> not the way it works here, that's fine and not a big deal.
>
> On 2009-11-25, at 7:52 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>
>>
>> On 26/11/2009, at 6:24 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>
>>> If ever we really needed to push out builds more frequently I would just
>>> do it from Sonatype. I've given up trying to be truly agile at Apache, it's
>>> just not going to happen.
>>
>> I don't understand what the issue is with the current process. Benjamin is
>> already getting them out faster than the majority of people will be able to
>> test and review them. Any faster and you might as well just be using the CI
>> builds for whatever purpose you have in mind. You're not going to be able to
>> push out anything from Sonatype that's any more official than those, so what
>> benefit does anyone get from a build that loses the frequency of CI builds
>> and loses the benefit of being reviewed before publishing?
>>
>> The rules about not promoting snapshots to users are there for good
>> reasons - to make sure the PMC does actually authorize releases and the
>> users know what they are getting, and to encourage actually doing releases
>> (instead of everyone running their own version of trunk). I don't see any
>> upside to a change that loses those. There's no problem pointing individuals
>> to the grid for *testing* purposes as far as I know, as long as they know
>> what they are getting is not a release and may not work at all.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brett
>>
>>
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> Thanks,
>
> Jason
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