Agreed.

People keep on saying that Oracle will support AWT/Swing for another 8 years... Have you noticed what the last 8 years have been like? If this is the kind of "support" we can expect then they might as well spin it out the JDK like JavaFX.

The end result of this announcement is fragmentation, fragmentation, fragmentation. Instead of one half-baked technology, we'll end up with five of them and none of them will be as mature/stable as AWT/Swing. All the big players are walking away from client-side dvelopment, except for Microsoft. It's very sad to see.

Web-based development is cool because everyone is jumping on board. It isn't cool because it's better. Every week there is a new framework. The level of cross-platform compatibility doesn't begin to compare to Java. You have portability problems across different browsers on the same operating system, not to mention different operating systems. All in all, this is a huge step backward for the developer community.

Gili

On 2018-03-12 2:26 PM, Kenneth Fogel wrote:
As far as I can tell Swing and AWT were pretty much abandoned years ago except 
for maintenance.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthias Bläsing [mailto:mblaes...@doppel-helix.eu]
Sent: March 12, 2018 1:37 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from 
Oracle JDK

Am Montag, den 12.03.2018, 17:26 +0000 schrieb Neil C Smith:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 17:12 Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

I really wouldn't be worried at all about something that will be
supported "through at least 2026".

In a public, freely available JDK?

I did not see Swing or AWT marked as deprecated in OpenJDK. So removal
at this point is out of the question. I doubt that Oracle will remove
the whole desktop module from their JDK, so even Oracle JDK will most
probably carry AWT+Swing.

My reading is a bit less *heaven will fall*:

  * The java plugin is dead (thanks go to the browser makers)
  * Java Web Start is mostly dead and was never open source. Interested
    parties could place their money on Red Hat, which might have its
    open source successor (Iced Tea Web)
  * JavaFX is not part of the Oracle JDK anymore
  * The future of Swing and AWT is not yet decided

To read more into the white-paper is just reading tea-leaves. It might
be fun, but the future is not told there.

Greetings

Matthias

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