That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text) > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online and check. -- With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ +7 916 562 8095
[1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/ [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov <[email protected]> wrote: > Artyom, > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes > should help you and tell > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org web site which mentions > recordings they do not work for > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error, > it will take a lot of your time. > > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks something. > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we > get one with Adobe auto-updater). > > Sebastian, > The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still the > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and soon > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports that > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes (longer > recording sessions are rare exceptions). > a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a row. > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1 hour, > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient. > > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach magically > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her last > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also multi-tabbed > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings. > > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more difficult, than > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in codec > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames), when we > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free system-deep > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak, this one > is unrelated. > > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do test it > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just reflect this > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we announced > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March. > > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported features > without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers > unhappy. > > -- > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > http://dataved.ru/ > +7 916 562 8095 > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/ > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669 >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it should be a note >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have retested on OM >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.* >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of OpenMeetings. >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen, however the root >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of OpenMeetings >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the recording. I would >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce the issue in >> the Bug report. >> >> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188 >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration? >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has nothing todo >> with the second crash report in the ticket. >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory consumption, >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the bug report >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't think that >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of Flash Player. >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version exactly was >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash Player was >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash Player has >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with our >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or simply a problem >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device. >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in different >> browsers or tabs)* >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of OpenMeetings next to >> each other, I do that all the time for testing. >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina mentions is a >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time without issues. So >> there might be a problem but creating now the general restriction to have >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else seems a bit >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently: >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances in multiple >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour* >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678 >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes? Integration of >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a nice >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there is an issue >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at all? >> >> Thanks, >> Sebastian >> >> >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <[email protected]> >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing: >>> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently when I tried to >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the same Mozilla FF >>> browser: >>> >>> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624 >>> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list of the >>> candidates in the bug report. >>> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from two tabs of >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same moment. >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two different rooms >>> in the same browser at the moment. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Irina. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <[email protected] >>> >wrote: >>> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of Openmeetings (as I >>> > know); >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in 2.1.1; >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in 2.1, it's not >>> new >>> > too >>> > >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <[email protected]> >>> > >>> > > Artyom, >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and additional input >>> > > from Irina. >>> > > >>> > > --- >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release. >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration. >>> > > >>> > > We also introduced reliability testing for this release (great job, >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the following does not >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1: >>> > > * Recordigs >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669 >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version) >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188 >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in >>> > > different browsers or tabs) >>> > > --- >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, >>> > > http://dataved.ru/ >>> > > +7 916 562 8095 >>> > > >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/ >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our releases >>> until >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's imagine if >>> > Linux >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because OpenOffice has >>> > > various >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good example because >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings to provide >>> voip >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause of >>> Openmeetings >>> > > > bugs. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <[email protected]> >>> > > > >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that red4sip is >>> not >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact. :-) Adobe Flash >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the problems >>> > > >> anyway. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes should say, >>> "does >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference ecosystem >>> > > >> requirements in release notes. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> -- >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/ >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095 >>> > > >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/ >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov >>> > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we graduated. >>> > Right >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by establishing >>> the >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the quality. >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here. >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more. >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with participants. >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the following attempt >>> of >>> > > >> > release notes. >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1 (for 1 hour >>> > long >>> > > >> > conferences) >>> > > >> > * Recordigs >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 >>> version) >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs) >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires another program >>> > we >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore) >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > Vasily, could you please help adding bug numbers to each line of >>> > the >>> > > >> notes? >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation, but that's >>> > what I >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please correct the >>> last >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state of SIP >>> > > >> > integration? >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems, this may help >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these release notes >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the release gets my >>> > +1. >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > -- >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/ >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095 >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/ >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM, [email protected] >>> > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of the >>> > OpenMeetings >>> > > >> >> project. >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if we are able >>> to >>> > > >> create >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip. >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or not) is a >>> rather >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested in a working >>> > > product. >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are both PMC >>> members, >>> > > have >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release? >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks, >>> > > >> >> Sebastian >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <[email protected]> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei, >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a little by adding >>> > > >> denoise >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent detection in >>> > > red5sip >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think we shouldn't >>> > > include >>> > > >> any >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into Openmeetings release >>> > > notes >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application. >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <[email protected]> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by using SIP >>> > bridge >>> > > >> for >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out that >>> disabling >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration improves audio. >>> > > Artyom, >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache web site? Does >>> it >>> > > >> worth >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes? >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > >> >>> > -- >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/ >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095 >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/ >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/ >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, [email protected] >>> > > >> >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it is possible. >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more feedback in >>> the >>> > > >> >>> community >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release. >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release? >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1. >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the release? >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in Turkey with >>> > > instructor >>> > > >> and >>> > > >> >>> > sky >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :) >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "[email protected]" < >>> > > >> >>> [email protected] >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue: >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681 >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a release. >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1 >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay. >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated. >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for 2.1.1 ? >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 [email protected] <[email protected] >>> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on private. >>> > Please >>> > > >> vote on >>> > > >> >>> > dev, >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we publish as a >>> > > result >>> > > >> of >>> > > >> >>> the >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote. >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next week as I >>> don't >>> > > have >>> > > >> a >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel abroad. >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks, >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community, >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache >>> > > >> OpenMeetings >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1 >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1 >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme: >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog: >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts: >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/ >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag: >>> > > >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/ >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E): >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours. >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1 approve >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0 no opinion >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1. >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> -- >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> -- >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> [email protected] >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > -- >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > [email protected] >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> > -- >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>> > > >> >>> > >> > [email protected] >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> > > -- >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>> > > >> >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > >> >>> > >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> -- >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>> > > >> >> [email protected] >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sebastian Wagner >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >> http://www.webbase-design.de >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >> [email protected]
