On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 03/05/2015 10:26 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > I am aligned with Simon and Louis on this. > > > > Part of the reason for knowing who moderators and administrators are > > is for transparency. Civil names (sometimes pseudonyms, such as > > RGB-ES) could be used, although (optional?) Apache IDs are very handy > > too. > > > > Another reason is so if someone goes missing or there is some sort of > > turnover, it is possible to easily determine that replacements or > > additions are required in order to have adequate coverage. That is > > related to sustainability. One cannot address sustainability if it > > is unknown who the incumbents are and where it is useful to add/train > > additional contributors. > > > > It is not necessary to supply email addresses, which is apparently > > the main concern, especially because some folks use private email > > addresses that are not widely-published for some mailings. (Those > > who have an Apache ID often do not use the corresponding email > > address, even on private lists, and it always makes determination of > > binding votes all the more tricky.) > > > > Knowing who is on the PMC and who is the Chair is a different matter > > and that is easily found, just as it is easy to determine who are the > > committers on Apache OpenOffice. In all of these cases, the Apache > > ID is easy to determine even if it is not listed. > > > > I fail to understand why anonymity is important for any of these list > > administration roles, even for private@ and security@. From my > > perspective, visibility comes with taking on those duties, especially > > since there is unusual karma involved. And having it recorded in a > > public page that is kept current goes with the importance of having > > the information current and readily available. > > > > I definitely agree this is a conversation for dev@. > > > > - Dennis > > It seems our changes to make the PMC FAQ page make more sense had some > unintended, and based on this thread, some undesirable consequences. > Maybe some solutions for this--
I agree that we need to keep the information public but also voluntary. The world need to be able to reach our moderators, that is the reason for owner@. Being a moderator does not mean you want to be on a public list, that is and should be a personal decision. With 2) you elegantly solve both. > > [1] Put moderators on the Project mailing list page. It seems harder to change > [2] Add a new cwiki page under Directory of Volunteers listing mailing > list moderators (easier to change but that could be a problem) I favor this, we add the different mailing lists, with owner@ and ask moderators to add themself, just like we do with other listings. If you decide to do 1 or 2 and also add the names/emails of the moderators please make sure you have the consent of the people before adding them. rgds jan i > > Other suggestions? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org > <javascript:;>] Sent: > > Thursday, March 5, 2015 07:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> Subject: > > Re: PMC FAQ update > > > > [ ... ] > > > > If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they > > should publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the > > consent of the people. > > > > My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it > > is forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it > > would be ok because it would be their own choice. > > > > rgds jan i > > > > [ ... ] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > MzK > > "An old horse for a long, hard road, > a young pony for a quick ride." > -- Texas Bix Bender > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > > -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
