On 6 March 2015 at 14:36, Dave Barton <d...@tasit.net> wrote: > Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > > On 05/03/15 15:04, Louis Su�rez-Potts wrote: > >> > >>> On 05-03-2015, at 06:49, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:03 AM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton <d...@tasit.net> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk < > kay.sch...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list > >>>>>> moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location > >>>>>> where that information can be found? If not, should we add the > >>>> moderator > >>>>>> names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page: > >>>>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a > discussion > >>>> of > >>>>> the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion > >>>>> please? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@ > >>>> > >>>> Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our > names > >>>> published where it is not really needed or beneficial. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Obviously I wasn't party to the private discussion, but that seems an > odd > >>> decision in a community that's so transparent in its intent an > >>> implementation. I suggest the lists of moderators be made available > >>> somewhere because: > >>> > >>> - The identities of the list moderators seem very hard to determine > by > >>> any other means > >>> - This mode of contribution gets little enough recognition as it is, > and > >>> the people contributing this way should be recognised. > >>> > >>> Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish > the > >>>> individual names. > >>>> > >>> > >>> There is a private@ list but we still publish the names of the PMC > >>> members... > >>> > >>> S. > >> > >> I agree with Simon. > >> > >> -louis > >> > > > > I agree that contributions should be recognized but moderator of mailing > > lists is of course a low burner. Keeping the info up-to-date requires > > more work and the benefit is really low. > > > > If somebody want his name listed we can of course do that, I think it is > > not important here and real contributors have their stage somewhere else. > > > > But who knows finding 100 more moderator is potentially easier than > > finding 100 new developers and we can shine with 100 new contributors. > > If we have a limit per list I step back as moderator ;-) > > > > Juergen (still smiling) > > OK! One last attempt to clarify and resolve a trivial issue, that has > become clouded in misunderstanding and mistranslated into some kind of > "bike-shedding" subject. > > It is _NOT_ about anyone WANTING to be recognised, or having their name > listed somewhere. > > It is _NOT_ about limiting the number of moderators and there is no need > for any existing moderators to step back. > > There is _NO_ need to show moderators email addresses, the list owner > address works perfectly well. > > It is _NOT_ important where the information is made available. > > The one and only thing I suggested is that we have a simple, easy way > for any of us to check & ensure that we have adequate list moderator > coverage. > if that is the only purpose, then it is a lot easier to look at the mail list configuration files, which are available to any infrastructure or infra-interest committer of which there are plenty in this project.
All that needs to be done is whenever somebody stops being a moderator (which happens with a jira ticket) check it there are still sufficient moderators. So for that purpose we really do not need an extra list. rgds jan i. > > Maintenance of the information is trivial: > 1. A new moderator is authorised and at the same time his name is added > to the page. > 2. An existing moderator opts-out of the responsibility and at the same > time his name is removed from the page. > > Dave (a bit frustrated, but still smiling) > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
