On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton <d...@tasit.net> wrote: > jan i wrote: > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton <d...@tasit.net <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > >> jan i wrote: > >>> On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com > <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton <d...@tasit.net > <javascript:;> > >> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com > <javascript:;> > >> <javascript:;>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website. > >>>>> > >>>>> I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list > >>>>> moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location > >>>>> where that information can be found? If not, should we add the > >> moderator > >>>>> names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page: > >>>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a > discussion > >> of > >>>> the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion > >>>> please? > >>>> > >>> > >>> Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@ > >>> > >>> Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names > >>> published where it is not really needed or beneficial. > >>> > >>> Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish > the > >>> individual names. > >>> > >>> rgds > >>> jan i. > >> > >> With the exception of a couple of pseudonyms (real names known > >> internally), every Apache committer's name is published: > >> https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html > > > > yeah but that does not tell which mailing lists we listen in on and a lot > > of other things we do, it does e,g. not tell that I am AOO Chair. > > Rubbish! Another public page: > https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#jani > Clearly and unequivocally states: > <Q> jani Jan Iversen corinthia, incubator, incubator-pmc, > infrastructure, infrastructure-interest, labs, labs-pmc, member, > openoffice, openoffice-pmc, pmc-chairs, tac-pmc </Q> > > See also: > https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#pmc-chairs > > Sorry, but I don't get your point about "which mailing lists we listen > in on and a lot of other things we do". Who cares, but you make it > sounds like you have something to hide. Also, who are "we" in this > context, PMC members, project members, or everybody? > > >> > >> Our "Mailing List" page states: > >> <Q> Each mailing list at OpenOffice has at least two human > moderators.</Q> > >> > >> Without referring to "private" information you or the PMC may hold tell > >> me (off-list if you wish) who the TWO moderators are for the API mailing > >> list? > >> > >> Are we ashamed of who we are and what we do? > > > > no way, but this is simply an information that has no relevance in my > > opinion. > > > > If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they should > > publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the consent of > the > > people. > > It was published for years, so why now do we have something to hide? > > > My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it is > > forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it would be > ok > > because it would be their own choice. > > > > rgds > > jan i > > Again, I don't understand "forced to participate". Nobody is forced to > participate in this project by simply identifying the role they have > volunteered to undertake. > > Your concerns are unfounded, Simon Phipps, myself and other moderators > openly publish our identities and email addresses on this list and other > public forums, so why would we become delicate sensitive little things > about our names being published for a useful purpose. > > Cut to the chase: > You did not answer my question about the names of the TWO moderators for > our API mailing list because: > 1. You don't know.
correct, it is not my job to know that. rgds jan i > 2. There is only ONE moderator for that list. > 3. This information is not publicly available. > > My reason for persisting with this somewhat trivial issue is that "we" > (those with an interest in project at large, not just Infra, the PMC, or > some other "sacred inner sanctum") would not have a ready source of > reference if moderation, for whatever reason, ceased. Unlikely in the > case of the dev list, but a definite possibility for the API list if the > one current moderator got run over by a bus. > > If it will alleviate your concerns, I will post to the owner of each of > our public lists asking for an affirmative response to the question of > publishing moderator names on the mailing list page. > > See also the post from Dennis, who summarises this in more succinct and > less abrasive terms. > > >> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> S. > >>>> > >>>> [1]: http://markmail.org/thread/l4yjh7gcgk5k6ist > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > <javascript:;> > > -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
