I agree in general -- the bar for commit should not be too high at the
moment, but it should be a sliding scale over time as the project matures
further so that the bar is higher. Learning, practicing and embodying The
Apache Way is the ultimate goal of ASF incubation, so I highly recommend
considering the community participation aspect of a potential committer.
Utilizing The Apache Way is the most important aspect to creating a healthy
project and community over time.

I have learned from experience that the PPMC should be carefully chosen and
the traditional ASF model of roles that Von mentioned is the best way to
start. E.g., a contributor might become a committer if s/he demonstrates
the right stuff, a committer might become a PMC member if s/he demonstrates
the right stuff. But while we are just beginning, I do not recommend
immediately adopting the model where committer automatically equals PMC
member. Changing this can be discussed at a later time when the project is
more mature and is more comfortable acting as a cohesive group.

Bruce

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 5:21 AM, Von Gosling <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  1. Refer to RTC or CTR problem
>
> For commit, may be, we could use CTR. For PR, we would prefer to RTC. We
> are high valuing the quality in RocketMQ. So, it is a better way to use the
> conservative strategy from my opinion :-)
>
> 2.   Refer to PPMC and committer relationship
> Thanks Justin refers. We are not familiar with Apache recommended way for
> this problem. But i  have learn about something about PMC additional
> responsibilities. IMO, we really want to keep the community diversity.
> Committer may be a good candidate for entering into PMC. For the same
> reason, contributor may be a good candidate for becoming Committer.
>
> AFAIK, Apache Tomcat have separate the PMC member and committer role. And,
> Apache Storm may regard as the committer as PMC member when someone make a
> great achievement for the project[1].
>
> 1. http://storm.apache.org/contribute/People.html <
> http://storm.apache.org/contribute/People.html>
>
>
>
> > 在 2017年1月3日,16:33,Justin Mclean <[email protected]> 写道:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >> IMO, not only the number of PR, more concerned about the quality of PR.
> >
> > Just try not to have the bar too high / wait too long to vote potential
> candidates in. This may discourage people being invoved and hinder
> community growth. But it’s totally up to this PPMC to decide this.
> >
> >> PPMC number of members should be less than the number of committer,
> IMHO,
> >> the committers are not all PPMC.
> >
> > Which is fine being a PPMC/PMC member had additional responsibilities [1]
> >
> >> RTC +1 The reference quality is the first priority.
> >
> > JFYI This is uncommon in Apache projects and all projects I have been
> involved in have been CTR. In CTR any commit is just a revert away. I’ve
> not seen many cases where it’s been an issue, especially where you have
> good test coverage and code quality metrics. But again it’s totally up to
> the PPMC to decide.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#policy
>
>


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