> so I highly recommend
> considering the community participation aspect of a potential committer.
> Utilizing The Apache Way is the most important aspect to creating a healthy
> project and community over time.

Alright :-)


>  But while we are just beginning, I do not recommend
> immediately adopting the model where committer automatically equals PMC
> member. Changing this can be discussed at a later time when the project is
> more mature and is more comfortable acting as a cohesive group.


+1. Nowadays, we may focus our eyes on how to build a more mature and cohesive 
group :-)



> 在 2017年1月3日,23:37,Bruce Snyder <[email protected]> 写道:
> 
> I agree in general -- the bar for commit should not be too high at the
> moment, but it should be a sliding scale over time as the project matures
> further so that the bar is higher. Learning, practicing and embodying The
> Apache Way is the ultimate goal of ASF incubation, so I highly recommend
> considering the community participation aspect of a potential committer.
> Utilizing The Apache Way is the most important aspect to creating a healthy
> project and community over time.
> 
> I have learned from experience that the PPMC should be carefully chosen and
> the traditional ASF model of roles that Von mentioned is the best way to
> start. E.g., a contributor might become a committer if s/he demonstrates
> the right stuff, a committer might become a PMC member if s/he demonstrates
> the right stuff.
> Bruce
> 
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 5:21 AM, Von Gosling <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 1. Refer to RTC or CTR problem
>> 
>> For commit, may be, we could use CTR. For PR, we would prefer to RTC. We
>> are high valuing the quality in RocketMQ. So, it is a better way to use the
>> conservative strategy from my opinion :-)
>> 
>> 2.   Refer to PPMC and committer relationship
>> Thanks Justin refers. We are not familiar with Apache recommended way for
>> this problem. But i  have learn about something about PMC additional
>> responsibilities. IMO, we really want to keep the community diversity.
>> Committer may be a good candidate for entering into PMC. For the same
>> reason, contributor may be a good candidate for becoming Committer.
>> 
>> AFAIK, Apache Tomcat have separate the PMC member and committer role. And,
>> Apache Storm may regard as the committer as PMC member when someone make a
>> great achievement for the project[1].
>> 
>> 1. http://storm.apache.org/contribute/People.html <
>> http://storm.apache.org/contribute/People.html 
>> <http://storm.apache.org/contribute/People.html>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 在 2017年1月3日,16:33,Justin Mclean <[email protected]> 写道:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>> IMO, not only the number of PR, more concerned about the quality of PR.
>>> 
>>> Just try not to have the bar too high / wait too long to vote potential
>> candidates in. This may discourage people being invoved and hinder
>> community growth. But it’s totally up to this PPMC to decide this.
>>> 
>>>> PPMC number of members should be less than the number of committer,
>> IMHO,
>>>> the committers are not all PPMC.
>>> 
>>> Which is fine being a PPMC/PMC member had additional responsibilities [1]
>>> 
>>>> RTC +1 The reference quality is the first priority.
>>> 
>>> JFYI This is uncommon in Apache projects and all projects I have been
>> involved in have been CTR. In CTR any commit is just a revert away. I’ve
>> not seen many cases where it’s been an issue, especially where you have
>> good test coverage and code quality metrics. But again it’s totally up to
>> the PPMC to decide.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> 1. https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#policy
>> 
>> 
> 
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