On 02/09/2018 03:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Matthew Miller <mat...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 05:02:10PM +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote:
It seems that a lot of people have %file, %check, %build, %whatsoever
in their changelog section.
Is there any reason I should not go and automatically escape them?

This seems like a lot of churn. If we're going to do this, let's go big
and get rid of RPM changelogs.

When we have a package update, there are basically two different kinds
of changelog information. Well, three.

First, there's the upstream changelog. We don't generally do much with
these except maybe package as %doc.

Second, there's package maintainer changelogs. These are really
redundant with the dist-git log. We don't really need this anymore.
It's just a chore.

Third, though, there's end-user information. Why should a user care
*This* is redundant with bodhi update info, at least if packagers fill
that out, and it often also duplicates upstream changelogs, *and* it
often also covers things like "fixes CVE-####' also carried the
specfile changelog.

This is neither most helpful for user *nor* ideal for packages. Why
don't we drop changelogs entirely in favor of 1) using the dist-git
logs for specfile maintainers and 2) providing the end-user information
in a different way. This could be through specially formatted log lines
going with the commit, or it could be simply in a standard separate
file (`fedora.user-visible-changes`). Optionally, it could include both
a high level end-user summary, and a detailed description for sysadmins
and the curious.

Wherever it lives, this would be read by Bodhi, so there's
would be need to enter it more than once. And, perhaps a DNF plugin
could be made to read and display this information for systems

I fully support the removal of RPM changelogs.  However, you've missed
two cases:

1) Rawhide, which doesn't go through bodhi
2) Fedora release upgrades, which don't go through bodhi

Now, I would actually LOVE for Rawhide to go through bodhi but
whatever.  The release -> release upgrade isn't really solvable that
way though.

Someone else suggested changelogs could be inserted during koji build
time.  That would be interesting to look into.

Koji, or fedpkg, or better yet some hook in rpm itself. It's not exactly rocket science we're talking about here if people are ready to give it a go.

Neal, doesn't Mageia (and Mandriva) pull package changelogs from SCM already? Do you know what kind of hook they're using? Actually I think Suse does this too so Fedora is probably again the last one to adopt this...

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