well, I received 125,000 from one suit agaisnt an oil company, and my
programmer, who was as exposed as I was said it wasn't worth his time. Of
course, once I got my money, he wanted some too, but sorry folks, too late.
And Crysler is now ponying up $5000 for a new paint job on my van, thanbks
to small claims court. My ccost for small claims courts is just $22. When
UPS shipped a computer to a client and it arrived Dead on Arrival, did I eat
it. N O! I took UPS to small claims court and won $1500. They promised to
appeal, but they didn't, so I filed my judgement against their local bank
account! Who won in all these cases? ME And, you can too! In in small
claims court. Most big companies are livid with fear of small claims court.
Yes it does takew somec work, but believec me, it is worth it. If just a few
of us took NSIto a variety of small claims courts around the nation, you
would see massive changes in their behavior. Class action suits? -- OK,
once 743 small claims suits are filed. Can you imagine the financial impact
on NSI??? Don't talk about it, just do it!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Prigge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael L. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "John Donley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Catherine and Nigel Jewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Transfer Bodge
> WHOA! Lets pull that bus over to the side of the pretentiousness
> turnpike, alright? Is it honestly your stance that taking NSI to small
> claims court (which also, I might add, is only seeking redress for
yourself)
> will magically make them stop defrauding people? It seems to me that its
a
> much more expensive, involved way of doing a chargeback.
> Granted, a chargeback is much less public, but is whatever limited
> publicity you'd get from a case going to small claims court what youre
> really after? Would you personally pony up $240+ to have a judge and a
room
> full of people who may not even know what a domain name is hear what a
> horrible company NSI is? If you would, I would really like to know why.
Ill
> conceed that maybe Ive missed something here, but I dont see where.
> As far as your question "If you only seek redress for yourself, [...]
> then when thousands of others are defrauded, it isn't your fault?" Thats
> precisely correct. It isnt your fault. Its NSI's fault. It's no more your
> fault than it would be if you failed to stop a bank robbery in progress.
> Sure, if you could do it, thatd be great. But are you somehow a deficient
> citizen or morally corrupt if you dont risk your life trying to disarm a
> band of theives with your bare hands? No.
> In my mind, the only real way to combat what NSI has been doing is to
> build a large class-action suit against them. The sort that you see when
> tens of thousands of credit card customers are over-charged by sixteen
cents
> or something of that nature. Admittedly, I am a layman in the field of
law,
> but this seems like the only way to both get people's money back and
create
> enough publicity to accomplish anything. Hundreds of people could take
them
> to small claims court, but it wont really do a damn thing if they arent
> linked together in some way.
> Unfortunately, to get something like this going, youd need an
incredible
> amount of time, money, and the cooperation of a law firm with ample
> resources. Could it be done? Sure. Would it be a great thing to do? YES!
But
> are you somehow criminal or immoral if you dont decide to put your life
on
> hold for $35? No!
>
>
> - matt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael L. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "John Donley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Catherine and Nigel Jewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Transfer Bodge
>
>
> > Yes, let's do the math! In fact, within your limited analysis you are
> quite
> > correct! But, there is another outlook! For instance, I was (I
> > believe)defrauded out of a few hundred by Scott Byers, nad I only
pursued
> my
> > position. But from the information I received from the Royal Canadian
> > Mounted Police, he went on to get hundreds of unsuspecting buyers to buy
> > fake playstation2 units -- total scam over 3 million! And he was an
> Opensrs
> > reseller in good standing! In fact, tucows refused to intervene, he is
> > still a Tucows RSP from jail! Who then must accept responsibility for
the
> > msddeeds of others? If you only seek redress for yourself, the analysis
> you
> > allude to, or write it off, then when thousands of others are defrauded,
> it
> > isn't your fault? There is a moral order above which your econmic
> analyses
> > must acknoweldge. You are a citizen of some country, your loyalties are
> not
> > to an economic analsys, but to your country. How can you morally stand
by
> > and let criminals proceed. Even if the criminal is NSI!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Donley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "Catherine and Nigel Jewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael L. Dean"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Transfer Bodge
> >
> >
> > > Actually from a money and business standpoint I don't see the logic.
> > > Most people in business put a dollar figure to their time. Lets say
even
> > > $30.00/hour (a very very cheap rate in this business) Now I spend 2
> > > hours doing some prep time for this, 3 hours talking with a Lawyer
about
> > > how I should go about handling this, and yes when you go to small
claims
> > > you should still consult a lawyer before hand to be sure that you have
a
> > > strong case. The next thing could be anywhere from 1 to 6 hours
waiting
> > > for you case to be heard, and another hour or so presenting it. Lets
do
> > > the math
> > >
> > > 2 hours prep, + 3 hours Lawyer, plus lets say 2 hour wait for court +
1
> > > hour court time = 8 hours spent x $30.00 = $240.00 lost because you
took
> > > NSI to court over a $35.00 refund. And this does not include lawyer
> > > fees, and court fees.
> > >
> > > The easiest way to handle this, as others have said, is to simply do
a
> > > charge back on your credit card. No mess, no fuss, and no having to
deal
> > > with NSI!
> > >
> > >
> > > "Michael L. Dean" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > going to court is not about money, it is about justice. If you feel
> > > > strongly about an issue, you must exercise your rights. You display
> > your
> > > > ignorance by claiming I am a shill for lawyers, since small claims
> court
> > > > does not allow lawyers! And the issue is not about $35. but about
> > ownership
> > > > of a domain which could well be worth millions.
> > > >
> > > > In addition, you resorted to a classical big bully offense -- by
> > accusing me
> > > > of something which emotes negative connotations, to your dis-credit.
> > Maybe
> > > > its time for you adolescents to face up to your virutal world
> > limitations --
> > > > because you are not an adult, you have got to get your mommy or
daddy
> to
> > sue
> > > > for you. Any adult would see my logic.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Leland V. Lammert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "Michael L. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael L. Dean"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > "Catherine and Nigel Jewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Transfer Bodge
> > > >
> > > > > At 11:45 AM 8/16/01 -0700, Michael L. Dean wrote:
> > > > > > > There is a very simple answer for your plight -- you must take
> > them to
> > > > > > small
> > > > > > > claims court, where you can win. Why should you do
differently
> > for
> > > > NSI
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > > yhou would for your housekeeper? ADVICE: SUE THE BASTARDS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael,
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you truly advising someone to sue over $35?? Are you seriously
> > saying
> > > > > YOU would? What world are you living in? (You must be a shill for
a
> > > > lawyer!!)
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am looking for some advice - please help!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > About a month ago I renewed a domain registered with Network
> > > > > > Solutions for a
> > > > > > > > year (at a cost of $35), so that I could transfer it (it was
> > close
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > expiry).
> > > > >
> > > > > That's your cost of doing a double transfer - you should have
waited
> > until
> > > > > more of the year was up. If NSI did not get the 'extra' year
posted
> > before
> > > > > you transferred the domain, there's nothing you can do about it
now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee
> > > > >
> > > > > ============================================
> > > > > Leland V. Lammert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Chief Scientist Omnitec Corporation
> > > > > Network/Internet Consultants www.omnitec.net
> > > > > ============================================
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
>
>
