WHOA! Lets pull that bus over to the side of the pretentiousness
turnpike, alright? Is it honestly your stance that taking NSI to small
claims court (which also, I might add, is only seeking redress for yourself)
will magically make them stop defrauding people? It seems to me that its a
much more expensive, involved way of doing a chargeback.
Granted, a chargeback is much less public, but is whatever limited
publicity you'd get from a case going to small claims court what youre
really after? Would you personally pony up $240+ to have a judge and a room
full of people who may not even know what a domain name is hear what a
horrible company NSI is? If you would, I would really like to know why. Ill
conceed that maybe Ive missed something here, but I dont see where.
As far as your question "If you only seek redress for yourself, [...]
then when thousands of others are defrauded, it isn't your fault?" Thats
precisely correct. It isnt your fault. Its NSI's fault. It's no more your
fault than it would be if you failed to stop a bank robbery in progress.
Sure, if you could do it, thatd be great. But are you somehow a deficient
citizen or morally corrupt if you dont risk your life trying to disarm a
band of theives with your bare hands? No.
In my mind, the only real way to combat what NSI has been doing is to
build a large class-action suit against them. The sort that you see when
tens of thousands of credit card customers are over-charged by sixteen cents
or something of that nature. Admittedly, I am a layman in the field of law,
but this seems like the only way to both get people's money back and create
enough publicity to accomplish anything. Hundreds of people could take them
to small claims court, but it wont really do a damn thing if they arent
linked together in some way.
Unfortunately, to get something like this going, youd need an incredible
amount of time, money, and the cooperation of a law firm with ample
resources. Could it be done? Sure. Would it be a great thing to do? YES! But
are you somehow criminal or immoral if you dont decide to put your life on
hold for $35? No!
- matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael L. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "John Donley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Catherine and Nigel Jewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Transfer Bodge
> Yes, let's do the math! In fact, within your limited analysis you are
quite
> correct! But, there is another outlook! For instance, I was (I
> believe)defrauded out of a few hundred by Scott Byers, nad I only pursued
my
> position. But from the information I received from the Royal Canadian
> Mounted Police, he went on to get hundreds of unsuspecting buyers to buy
> fake playstation2 units -- total scam over 3 million! And he was an
Opensrs
> reseller in good standing! In fact, tucows refused to intervene, he is
> still a Tucows RSP from jail! Who then must accept responsibility for the
> msddeeds of others? If you only seek redress for yourself, the analysis
you
> allude to, or write it off, then when thousands of others are defrauded,
it
> isn't your fault? There is a moral order above which your econmic
analyses
> must acknoweldge. You are a citizen of some country, your loyalties are
not
> to an economic analsys, but to your country. How can you morally stand by
> and let criminals proceed. Even if the criminal is NSI!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Donley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Catherine and Nigel Jewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael L. Dean"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Transfer Bodge
>
>
> > Actually from a money and business standpoint I don't see the logic.
> > Most people in business put a dollar figure to their time. Lets say even
> > $30.00/hour (a very very cheap rate in this business) Now I spend 2
> > hours doing some prep time for this, 3 hours talking with a Lawyer about
> > how I should go about handling this, and yes when you go to small claims
> > you should still consult a lawyer before hand to be sure that you have a
> > strong case. The next thing could be anywhere from 1 to 6 hours waiting
> > for you case to be heard, and another hour or so presenting it. Lets do
> > the math
> >
> > 2 hours prep, + 3 hours Lawyer, plus lets say 2 hour wait for court + 1
> > hour court time = 8 hours spent x $30.00 = $240.00 lost because you took
> > NSI to court over a $35.00 refund. And this does not include lawyer
> > fees, and court fees.
> >
> > The easiest way to handle this, as others have said, is to simply do a
> > charge back on your credit card. No mess, no fuss, and no having to deal
> > with NSI!
> >
> >
> > "Michael L. Dean" wrote:
> > >
> > > going to court is not about money, it is about justice. If you feel
> > > strongly about an issue, you must exercise your rights. You display
> your
> > > ignorance by claiming I am a shill for lawyers, since small claims
court
> > > does not allow lawyers! And the issue is not about $35. but about
> ownership
> > > of a domain which could well be worth millions.
> > >
> > > In addition, you resorted to a classical big bully offense -- by
> accusing me
> > > of something which emotes negative connotations, to your dis-credit.
> Maybe
> > > its time for you adolescents to face up to your virutal world
> limitations --
> > > because you are not an adult, you have got to get your mommy or daddy
to
> sue
> > > for you. Any adult would see my logic.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Leland V. Lammert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Michael L. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael L. Dean"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > "Catherine and Nigel Jewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Transfer Bodge
> > >
> > > > At 11:45 AM 8/16/01 -0700, Michael L. Dean wrote:
> > > > > > There is a very simple answer for your plight -- you must take
> them to
> > > > > small
> > > > > > claims court, where you can win. Why should you do differently
> for
> > > NSI
> > > > > than
> > > > > > yhou would for your housekeeper? ADVICE: SUE THE BASTARDS.
> > > >
> > > > Michael,
> > > >
> > > > Are you truly advising someone to sue over $35?? Are you seriously
> saying
> > > > YOU would? What world are you living in? (You must be a shill for a
> > > lawyer!!)
> > > >
> > > > > > > I am looking for some advice - please help!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About a month ago I renewed a domain registered with Network
> > > > > Solutions for a
> > > > > > > year (at a cost of $35), so that I could transfer it (it was
> close
> > > to
> > > > > > > expiry).
> > > >
> > > > That's your cost of doing a double transfer - you should have waited
> until
> > > > more of the year was up. If NSI did not get the 'extra' year posted
> before
> > > > you transferred the domain, there's nothing you can do about it now.
> > > >
> > > > Lee
> > > >
> > > > ============================================
> > > > Leland V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Chief Scientist Omnitec Corporation
> > > > Network/Internet Consultants www.omnitec.net
> > > > ============================================
> > > >
> > > >
>
