Agreed completely...and 'reading the docs' better is not a good enough
answer when you have neophyte (usually) users in the mix.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:21 PM
To: Mark Jeftovic
Cc: James Simmons; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CIRA

Mark Jeftovic wrote:
> 
> I've been offline for a few days, so sorry if this thread is old. But
> whenever I hear people crying the blues about CIRA and saying they
> can't do anything right I always have to pipe up and say one thing
> which usually hits home:
> 
> Registrar transfers from beginning to end in under 10 minutes.
> 
> Tell me that doesn't rock and that Verisign can even come close.

That's great, Mark.  But that's assuming that the registrant has the
CIRA
account & password that was sent with a very machine-readable look to
it,
causing it to be deleted by many.

Now, you're going to argue that I can easily have it resent.  Well, not
necessarily.  If the client has changed e-mail addresses without
informing
us/CIRA, then the change wasn't made.  Now, we're in a Catch-22.  No
e-mail so we can't get the password and no password so we can't change
the
e-mail.

What's left?  Well, a fax to OpenSRS which hopefully causes something to
happen in the next not-too-long period of time.

How is Verisign better?  They let me, as Technical contact, modify the
domain.  They let me change the admin contact.  This means that when a
client says "yes I'll transfer" I change the admin contact to *me* then
I
can approve it all from this end without having to worry about
Verisign's
stupid and misleading messages.

This is also how CDN*Net did a better job of managing the .CA namespace
--
as tech contact I could change the admin contact.  Sometimes the
"technical" contact is responsible for technical information such as
street address and e-mail address for the contacts.

Possible solutions to CIRA's issues:
1. allow tech contact to modify domains
2. alleviate the burden by using domain/password instead of
account/password
3. alleviate the burden by allowing user-assignable account/username and
user-assignable password.
4. give registrars the contractual ability to modify a domain based on
*their* authentication (read: I make a change in manage.opensrs.net and
it
doesn't need to be approved at cira.ca)

The junk we're facing right now WRT changing RANT type, but needing to
have *that* authenticated at CIRA is pushing me to suggest a price
increase on our .CA sales from CA$65/yr to significantly more, if only
to
discourage registrations and/or recover our losses.

Can we expect to see a change in this realm in the nearer future?

-kb
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Kris Benson
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