The forty days IS a grace period.  I used to think expire meant expire.
 NOW, I know that some domains don't expire for YEARS after their "expiration".
 A better term would be deactivated or disabled.  There is then a period
where you can't use it, but nobody else can register.  This is nice because
the customer SHOULD notice a drop in traffic, or a disabled domain.  At
that point, they WILL renew if it is important.  

Steve



>-- Original Message --
>Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:04:10 -0500
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: Phillip Beazley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Disappearing Renewals
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>At 02:47 PM 1/16/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Does the renewal report indicate that it was renewed?  If so, THAT should
>>be enough.  This business runs on credit, and someone should be held 
>>accountable.
>
>No, that's why I'm SOL.  Without the number that was generated at the time
>
>of renewal, I have no proof.  Regardless of whether I KNOW it was renewed
>
>or not.
>
>>On one group I have been frequenting lately, someone spoke about how a
domain
>>is to expire, and by the time it expires, the grace period will be lengthened,
>>so he asked if there is a way he can get it so he doesn't have to wait
70+
>>days so that he can no longer take advantage of work someone else did.
>>Ironically, the domain in question is registered through tucows.
>
>Apparently there's no grace period, or it's very short.  The domain expired
>
>on 12/2.  It was "deleted" fourty days later on 1/12.  It was registered
>by 
>another party on the same day.  Doesn't sound like a grace period to me.
>
>>I wrote him and said FORGET it!  Besides, would you want someone to steal
>>YOUR domains like this?
>>
>>If verisign says he CAN do this, then they should give me THEIR domain!
>>  There is really no difference.
>>
>>BTW, to suggest that someone pay someone ELSE for what amounts to THEFT,
>>and pay a higher price because of work THEY did is ludicrous.  EBAY, for
>>example, is a totally worthless domain based on any examination of its
merits
>>as a domain.  Yet, a company would be willing to pay a bundle ONLY because
>>EBAY had a good/popular site, and EBAY advertised it.  It may get extra
>>traffic for years without any work.  Without that, NOBODY would squat
on
>>it, or sell it for very much.  WITH that, it is valuable.  If this happened
>>to Ebay, they would probably sue every registrar down to verisign.
>
>Yeah, very true.  Unfortunately (for us) neither we nor the client have

>pockets that deep...
>
>
>-- 
>Phillip Beazley
>Onvix -- Website Hosting, Development & E-commerce
>Visit http://www.onvix.com/ or call 727-578-9600.
>


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