-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here's the page from 'Farset Labs' in the UK: http://farsetlabs.org.uk/blog/roles-the-new-farset-labs-membership-model/
The summary is: "We changed ours recently from a strictly 2 tier system (students + regular) to a more complex 4 tier system. This was partially driven by students being cheap whiny bastards, but also to give gradiated justification of expenditure; i.e. if the higher ups are complaining about something, it's more justifiable to invest in it. Also, in our region there's a bit of a wide equality gap, so there are a few 'money no object' folk who think 35 pounds a month is pennies, and others that get their groceries for a month with that." Ron On 2012-10-15 15:26, Jay Smith wrote: > Totalitarian Treasurer checking in. > > Reduction for non-student/cash-strapped members: > I will not support a membership fee reduction for non-students. We are > already strapped for cash and we are not in the business of becoming a > hostel. Non-student members who can not pay $40.00/month will be given two > weeks warning to pay their dues or have their memberships and access > revoked. I do follow the hackerspace patterns as close as possible and the > line about being a "Totalitarian Treasurer" is near and dear to what was > once my heart :-) > > If you are unable to pay fees, your best bet is to cancel your membership > until such a time that you can pay. You're always welcome to reapply when > you are able. > > Student Memberships: > I have no strong opinion on the idea of student memberships. It's not much > extra work and it does seem to be an accepted practice for most > hacker-spaces I've looked into. If anybody can compile a current collection > of fee structures from across Canada and the US for tomorrow's meeting, it > would make for great research. I'm particularly interested in seeing: > > - % of hackerspaces with student membership options > - Average student membership cost > - Average full membership cost for all hackerspaces > - Average full membership cost for hackerspaces that offer student discounts > - Average full membership cost for hackerspaces that do no offer student > discounts > > I'd do it myself, but I have to admit that I simply don't have time to > compile even more data tonight. > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I think that's great advice. > > > > I've tried to follow the design patterns from hackerspaces.org as often > > as it's possible and as often as it makes sense for us. It doesn't > > always make sense, of course, but more often than not they're pretty > > good. > > > > I'm not saying we should make policy decisions based entirely on the > > pattern, just that if the patterns say it's a good idea, it might > > actually be a good idea. > > > > Ron > > > > On 2012-10-15 14:38, Justin Lacko wrote: > > > And FWIW the hackerspaces.org model has a few things that operate on > > > the "paranoia" such as this one: > > > http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Sponsoring_Anti-Pattern so I wouldn't > > > take that site as gospel. But what do I know? > > > > > > On 15 October 2012 14:35, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What kind of reduction are we looking at here? Is, say $10 a month > > > > really the deciding factor for anybody for not becoming a member? > > > > > > > > I think $40 is already as cheap as we can go. If anything I'd say make > > > > $40 the student rate and re-jigger (Mak's word) the regular member > > > > rate. $40 is incredibly cheap for ~4200 sq. ft. of 24/7 access to a > > > > space with tools, computers, a lounge, a budding arcade, and > > > > developing electrical. > > > > > > > > On 15 October 2012 14:28, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >> Hash: SHA1 > > > >> > > > >> Hey guys, > > > >> > > > >> I'm forwarding along a suggestion from David Stewart, who's not > > > >> currently a member but is interested in SkullSpace. Based on what he > > > >> says, and some reading I've done, I think we should re-visit the idea > > of > > > >> student memberships. > > > >> > > > >> I was traditionally against it, but I'm starting to come around. It > > > >> helps that I re-read the hackerspace design patterns and it includes > > > >> this one: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Membership_Fees_Pattern > > > >> > > > >> Which includes the text, "Collect fees regularly. Make no exceptions, > > > >> ever. Choose an appropriate amount. Have discounts for students. Have > > at > > > >> least three months of rent on your account, all the time, no > > exceptions. > > > >> Elect a totalitarian treasurer." > > > >> > > > >> The issues I've had in the past with it - keeping everybody equal, > > etc - > > > >> I think we can set aside for the purposes of getting more members / > > more > > > >> interest / more events / etc. Another issue was how we manage it - > > and I > > > >> think honour system is fine. If you're going to school full-time, and > > > >> you tell us you are, that's good enough. If we don't believe you, then > > > >> you probably shouldn't be a member anwyays. > > > >> > > > >> It would create extra work for Jay - to switch members from student to > > > >> regular when necessary - so he definitely has a say in this. > > > >> > > > >> Students could, of course, choose to pay the full amount, if they'd > > > >> like. :) > > > >> > > > >> Thoughts? > > > >> > > > >> Ron > > > >> > > > >> - ----- Forwarded message from David Stewart < > > [email protected]> ----- > > > >> > > > >> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:15:37 -0500 > > > >> From: David Stewart <[email protected]> > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > >> Subject: Skullspace student/casual memberships > > > >> > > > >> Hello Ron, > > > >> > > > >> Over the past year I have sporadically attended various events at > > > >> Skullspace (Most notably Mak's C course) and while I would like to > > become a > > > >> full member, there has always been a few things that have held me back > > > >> (mostly due to lack of time). Compounding my existing lack of time > > problem > > > >> is that since have I started school full time at the U of M, the > > amount of > > > >> free time I have has taken a dive off a cliff. Furthermore, being a > > full > > > >> time student, has rendered me more or less broke. > > > >> > > > >> I would like to contribute to the success of Skullspace, but $40 a > > > >> month is beyond my reach financially for now, and quite frankly with > > my > > > >> dwindling free time I could hardly spend any time at all at the space > > > >> anyways. > > > >> > > > >> I'm sure you see where I am going with this, but I will ask the > > > >> question directly.... Has there ever been discussion about > > memberships for > > > >> student/casual members? - Perhaps key less if need be, and/or based on > > > >> hours at the space per month, non-voting (or 1/2 of a vote), without a > > > >> dedicated storage spot etc. ? I realize that this has the potential > > to be > > > >> a slippery slope of "special treatment", but could a fair system be > > hashed > > > >> out? To me it seems that this could help to open up membership to a > > wider > > > >> audience and increase the amount of membership dues collected each > > month > > > >> without causing a significant increase in operating > > > >> costs.......Additionally, this could help to make Skullspace a more > > > >> inclusive community. (Not that it is particularly exclusionary at the > > > >> moment!) > > > >> > > > >> Anyways it's just a thought, I'll leave it to you and the Skullspace > > group > > > >> to make the decisions on this, but feel free to ask me questions and > > I'll > > > >> do my best to get back to you asap. > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> > > > >> David Stewart > > > >> > > > >> - ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > > >> > > > >> iEYEARECAAYFAlB8Y94ACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/QmTQCg3asSucA+sQ7tmhyg3OZmEgDn > > > >> P+oAn0uoAcEd3CF8plbHAAwB5h0jbcPe > > > >> =ju56 > > > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAlB8aFcACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RJrwCfTVP2eHyTJhtiVwU4FWP9N8hG > > NBkAoM+pqgnRJ/mUuifs1/fMztlSTq7V > > =iGqa > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlB8g2AACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RDXACg2CsoE/VwdQp/zNs92G7zVeS5 v3wAnRXa2224d1VkNL6r190coffd7/JQ =m9fR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
