Ian, I never brought up a cost or asked for money - the idea was that perhaps we could get the necessary cable run equipment as a donation, possibly from HSC.
I thought that we can't expense anything to SkSp right now anyways, unless it's approved? On 27 March 2013 16:43, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: > Great Ken, way to step up very much appreciated. > > > > Just please be aware we have a minimal budget for this work. The priority > right now is to save for the needed electrical work and allow Colin > to complete his work on security and access control. I just looked at our > finances. > > > > The club is at 41 full member equivalents, we need 52 full > member equivalents to be sustainable. We are loosing -$460 approximatelyper > month, I am not counting donations above a 40.00 per full member > equivalent, because they are donations - they may go away at any moment. > Interestingly food and beverage sales manage to pay our monthly Hydro bill > (more or less). > > > > Current projections show "Death" on the 1'st of October 2014 if things > remained the same, which they won't and we would rally and not let that > happen. That's 18 months to get 11 full member equivalents and not loose > anyone along this way. > > > > When we get to 52 we can start looking at the nice to haves, right now we > must focus on the must haves. The 3D printer was deemed a must have by > the membership to attract more members. It was funded by the membership > outside of regular dues and donations. > > > > So, please let's be very careful about incurring expenses, we are very > close to complete sustainability. > > > > Ian > > > > PS; Donations of time and materials are so important to the club bottom > line that stuff has a huge impact, a box of cable or stuff like that keeps > the "Day of Doom" far away. All of you who have put in sweat equity, > given equipment and "raw" IT material, or made financial contributionsabove > the 40.00 have really sustained the club - on behalf of the board you > have our sincere thanks. > > > > Ian > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] [ > [email protected]] on behalf of Ken DeWitt [ > [email protected]] > *Sent:* March 27, 2013 16:23 > *To:* Skull Space Discussion List > *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Skullspace2 Infrastructure update: > network, security, oh my! > > I can do all the wiring for the class room and comp areas. > On 2013-03-27 4:09 PM, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ian, >> >> We were talking about running cat5 cable to the classroom and computer >> work areas long before the security camera job came into full swing... >> >> In the past, people have demonstrated a desire for having a wired >> internet hookup in these places. It would be beneficial. >> >> I'm not telling Colin he needs to do it, I'm asking what we need to do >> to get the ball rolling to obtain the cable trays to start. Currently, we >> have cat5 wiring running to the electrical bench and lounge via hanging >> wires - something which your inspector friend brought up as a no-no. >> >> I think we can all appreciate how hard Colin works for the group. >> >> >> On 27 March 2013 15:42, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm going to ask why these drops are needed? Given all the other >>> things Colin is working on can we give this request a low priority? >>> >>> For the sake of Colin's sanity let's balance some of these requests in >>> terms of priority. >>> >>> Let me put this another way. Until cameras and access control is >>> sorted out, would it not be reasonable to let him finish the jobs that are >>> started? let's let him breath. Invoice his customers for the 100's of side >>> jobs, etc he has completed over the past few months. >>> >>> Colin is working flat out and trying to run a business lets let him >>> finish some jobs before asking more of the guy. >>> >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2013-03-27, at 15:33, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> What is required to start getting proper cat5 network drops to the >>> classroom? Colin, you mentioned we needed some cable tray system... who can >>> we contact to supply us with this? >>> >>> High speed crow, perhaps? >>> >>> >>> On 27 March 2013 08:45, Colin Stanners <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> That is well in need of update for the new space... once I get the sksp >>>> wiki password from my old laptop (VNC not working, need to troubleshoot >>>> that) I'll put a notice on the page saying that. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Are you still maintaining the "Networking" wiki page? >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-03-27 02:22, Colin Stanners wrote: >>>>> > So that everyone knows what I'm working on and can give >>>>> advice/comments. >>>>> > (Also so that I don't forget the details of all these...) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Wiring (following the 'harder/longer job = add more spare wires' >>>>> rule, and >>>>> > using >>>>> > white wires & white wire trays in corners so they're invisible to the >>>>> > landlord) >>>>> > ----------- >>>>> > Done: 6x wires from above-bathrooms to downstairs door: >>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: card access, doorbell >>>>> > 2x cat5: outside front door camera and either inside >>>>> front >>>>> > door or street camera >>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: spare wires (both above cameras >>>>> can be >>>>> > put on 1x cat5 to allow another spare). >>>>> > >>>>> > Done: 5x wires from server room to above-bathrooms: >>>>> > 1x 22/4 wire: card access serial control, maybe >>>>> patch to >>>>> > fire panel >>>>> > 2x cat5: to Sksp main network switch >>>>> > 1x cat5: VGAoverCAT5 so projector can show security >>>>> > cams/other video from VGA splitter >>>>> > 1x cat5: 4x video feeds (2x front door, sksp2 door, >>>>> spare) >>>>> > >>>>> > In progress: 3x wires from above-bathroom to end of classroom: >>>>> > 1x cat5: was going to be for flag cameras but I may >>>>> not >>>>> > install this one now >>>>> > 2x cat5: likely will connect back to main sksp >>>>> switch >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Doorbell >>>>> > ------------ >>>>> > It works and causes an annoying sound to come from the box above the >>>>> > bathrooms - later I'll wire it so the bell will always ring when the >>>>> card >>>>> > access >>>>> > system's power is disconnected (may have enough battery power to >>>>> last hours) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Cameras (old analog models running 12-24v power and video over cat5) >>>>> > ------------- >>>>> > 7: Both ends of the rear parking lot; back door (needs better >>>>> mount); >>>>> > elevator; >>>>> > outside Sksp2 door; outside front door; and either inside front door >>>>> or >>>>> > street. >>>>> > >>>>> > A PC - either Zewwy's nice donated machine or the active card access >>>>> PC - >>>>> > running 2x analog 4-input cards (currently the crappy $10 ones that >>>>> only do >>>>> > 2 >>>>> > FPS; possibly better ones later) and Zoneminder under Linux or >>>>> BlueIris or >>>>> > IspyConnect under Windows to capture video upon motion, also web >>>>> viewing. >>>>> > >>>>> > I bought a 1x4 VGA splitter from Monoprice and eBay VGAoverCAT5 >>>>> adapters* >>>>> > so that the view from the security PC can be sent to the >>>>> currently-unused >>>>> > second VGA inputs on the projectors and can be easily brought up. Of >>>>> course >>>>> > any other signal can be sent to the projectors this way for >>>>> presentations >>>>> > etc. >>>>> > >>>>> > *I got the cheap $1 units that just couple the cables; not the $100 >>>>> units >>>>> > that include >>>>> > filters, converting the unbalanced signals to differential ones to >>>>> work >>>>> > better over >>>>> > twisted pair, and skew correction. I'll do homemade skew correction >>>>> by >>>>> > calculating >>>>> > the length of the cat5 and measuring some pairs a bit longer so they >>>>> all >>>>> > 'match' >>>>> > electrically. The length ratios of different pairs in cat5 are at >>>>> the end >>>>> > of the wikip page. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Projectors >>>>> > ----------- >>>>> > Sksp lounge: I'm getting the same MP stand so it can be roof-mounted >>>>> too >>>>> > >>>>> > Classroom: need to install wire guide to make power/VGA runs nicer. >>>>> If the >>>>> > power >>>>> > outlet over the bathroom happens soon it can feed the projector >>>>> instead of >>>>> > having >>>>> > an ugly wire run down the side of the classroom wall. >>>>> > >>>>> > Both of these will have a line from the VGA splitter delivered over >>>>> cat5, >>>>> > as above. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Outside back wiring >>>>> > ---------- >>>>> > I installed a pipe in the back door frame so running wires is super >>>>> easy. >>>>> > Still >>>>> > would be good to install a pipe or guy wire to allow a nicer run to >>>>> top >>>>> > level of >>>>> > the fire escape and up to roof for later antennas (satellite, amateur >>>>> > radio, etc). >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Internet access and link to AW >>>>> > ---------- >>>>> > We're still dependent on the AW link for internet, VOI needs time to >>>>> > install a >>>>> > dedicated dish. >>>>> > >>>>> > We've had the hardware to upgrade the 10x4mbit AW link to 100x100mbit >>>>> > since the beginning but it's quite a few hours to >>>>> setup/configure/install. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Network Monitoring >>>>> > ---------- >>>>> > Having a Linux box running MRTG to show the traffic on all switch >>>>> ports, >>>>> > maybe >>>>> > even local temperature and network rack power usage (measured at >>>>> UPSes). >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Doorbell and camera at outside loading dock door >>>>> > ---------- >>>>> > I'm considering this, does anything think it'll be useful? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Changing subnets >>>>> > ------------- >>>>> > Changing 192.168.1.x net to 172.16. would allow VPNing (from Linksys >>>>> > routers etc). >>>>> > Also maybe separate the 'sksp' and 'wifi / public / untrusted' on >>>>> different >>>>> > networks. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Card access fixes >>>>> > ------------- >>>>> > Would be nice to have a button upstairs to remote open downstairs >>>>> door >>>>> > (next to the sksp phone?) easy to do but need to run a wire there, >>>>> or get >>>>> > one >>>>> > of those cheap ebay remote controls. Front door is missing a sensor >>>>> that >>>>> > lets the system know when the door is open because the door was >>>>> closing >>>>> > too tight against the frame for one to be installed (note hole in >>>>> door), >>>>> > fix soon. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Internal web page with links to all device web interfaces >>>>> > ------------- >>>>> > The one I did for AW is useful, will make one for Sksp one day >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Card access control PCs (both currently sitting in pieces) >>>>> > ----------- >>>>> > The Shuttle PCs (I always want 2 units with identical h/w, for easy >>>>> backup) >>>>> > have had issues for awhile due to bad capacitors that are a bigger >>>>> job to >>>>> > replace. We didn't have any identical PCs around sksp that I could >>>>> use so >>>>> > Ian >>>>> > donated an old pair... that were from around the same era and turn >>>>> out to >>>>> > also >>>>> > have bad capacitors. But those are better engineered (IBM) and >>>>> easier to >>>>> > recap. >>>>> > >>>>> > The Shuttle PCs have been partially recapped (mobos and PSUs) but >>>>> once I >>>>> > move to the IBMs they may appear in the pile of doom if anyone wants >>>>> them. >>>>> > >>>>> > The fobs I've been giving out recently were PegJam ones that had been >>>>> > activated when the PCs were still working... need to fix soon before >>>>> I run >>>>> > out. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Skullspace door: allowing landlord access and easy exit >>>>> > --------- >>>>> > I got a motion detector from eBay to allow auto-unlocking when >>>>> > people get close to the door inside, but in the process of >>>>> converting its >>>>> > relay >>>>> > from the positive terminal to connecting the negative terminal >>>>> > I seem to have broken something since now it won't un-detect after >>>>> boot. >>>>> > >>>>> > Door access for landlord/staff without keyfob: may be possible to >>>>> move the >>>>> > current deadbolt to the "main" doorknob to make it work, but this is >>>>> > far on my to-do list right now, or $500 to get done by a locksmith. >>>>> > This would also allow exit without needing to push a button - >>>>> preferable. >>>>> > >>>>> > Another option people mentioned would be a keypad at the door that >>>>> unlocks >>>>> > the door - this is easy and cheap to do but I'd rather have the >>>>> standard >>>>> > key option. >>>>> > >>>>> > Door remote control: would be nice to have; need to buy a copy of >>>>> Kantech >>>>> > Entrapass SE ($300, but I may be able to get a bit cheaper price). I >>>>> got >>>>> > an old version of that software (Winpass64 from 2001) for $15 off >>>>> ebay to >>>>> > try it out but that software was *garbage* (Win3.1 interface, some >>>>> kind of >>>>> > constant database layer concurrency issues, horrible/illogical >>>>> design, etc.) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Hooking access control to fire alarm for auto-release: >>>>> > ------------- >>>>> > Should be easily doable, I'll need to check if I can do it or if we >>>>> need >>>>> > someone with a license to come in and do it. >>>>> >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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