I am going to wait till colin is finished with the security and have a box of cable to use. On 2013-03-27 6:26 PM, "Ian Trump" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Correct. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-27, at 18:15, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ian, > > I never brought up a cost or asked for money - the idea was that perhaps > we could get the necessary cable run equipment as a donation, possibly from > HSC. > > I thought that we can't expense anything to SkSp right now anyways, > unless it's approved? > > > On 27 March 2013 16:43, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Great Ken, way to step up very much appreciated. >> >> >> >> Just please be aware we have a minimal budget for this work. The priority >> right now is to save for the needed electrical work and allow Colin >> to complete his work on security and access control. I just looked at >> our finances. >> >> >> >> The club is at 41 full member equivalents, we need 52 full >> member equivalents to be sustainable. We are loosing -$460 approximatelyper >> month, I am not counting donations above a 40.00 per full member >> equivalent, because they are donations - they may go away at any moment. >> Interestingly food and beverage sales manage to pay our monthly Hydro bill >> (more or less). >> >> >> >> Current projections show "Death" on the 1'st of October 2014 if things >> remained the same, which they won't and we would rally and not let that >> happen. That's 18 months to get 11 full member equivalents and not loose >> anyone along this way. >> >> >> >> When we get to 52 we can start looking at the nice to haves, right now we >> must focus on the must haves. The 3D printer was deemed a must have by >> the membership to attract more members. It was funded by the membership >> outside of regular dues and donations. >> >> >> >> So, please let's be very careful about incurring expenses, we are very >> close to complete sustainability. >> >> >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> PS; Donations of time and materials are so important to the club bottom >> line that stuff has a huge impact, a box of cable or stuff like that keeps >> the "Day of Doom" far away. All of you who have put in sweat equity, >> given equipment and "raw" IT material, or made financial contributionsabove >> the 40.00 have really sustained the club - on behalf of the board you >> have our sincere thanks. >> >> >> >> Ian >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* [email protected] [ >> [email protected]] on behalf of Ken DeWitt [ >> [email protected]] >> *Sent:* March 27, 2013 16:23 >> *To:* Skull Space Discussion List >> *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Skullspace2 Infrastructure update: >> network, security, oh my! >> >> I can do all the wiring for the class room and comp areas. >> On 2013-03-27 4:09 PM, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ian, >>> >>> We were talking about running cat5 cable to the classroom and computer >>> work areas long before the security camera job came into full swing... >>> >>> In the past, people have demonstrated a desire for having a wired >>> internet hookup in these places. It would be beneficial. >>> >>> I'm not telling Colin he needs to do it, I'm asking what we need to do >>> to get the ball rolling to obtain the cable trays to start. Currently, we >>> have cat5 wiring running to the electrical bench and lounge via hanging >>> wires - something which your inspector friend brought up as a no-no. >>> >>> I think we can all appreciate how hard Colin works for the group. >>> >>> >>> On 27 March 2013 15:42, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I'm going to ask why these drops are needed? Given all the other >>>> things Colin is working on can we give this request a low priority? >>>> >>>> For the sake of Colin's sanity let's balance some of these requests >>>> in terms of priority. >>>> >>>> Let me put this another way. Until cameras and access control is >>>> sorted out, would it not be reasonable to let him finish the jobs that are >>>> started? let's let him breath. Invoice his customers for the 100's of side >>>> jobs, etc he has completed over the past few months. >>>> >>>> Colin is working flat out and trying to run a business lets let him >>>> finish some jobs before asking more of the guy. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 2013-03-27, at 15:33, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> What is required to start getting proper cat5 network drops to the >>>> classroom? Colin, you mentioned we needed some cable tray system... who can >>>> we contact to supply us with this? >>>> >>>> High speed crow, perhaps? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 27 March 2013 08:45, Colin Stanners <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That is well in need of update for the new space... once I get the >>>>> sksp wiki password from my old laptop (VNC not working, need to >>>>> troubleshoot that) I'll put a notice on the page saying that. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Are you still maintaining the "Networking" wiki page? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-03-27 02:22, Colin Stanners wrote: >>>>>> > So that everyone knows what I'm working on and can give >>>>>> advice/comments. >>>>>> > (Also so that I don't forget the details of all these...) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Wiring (following the 'harder/longer job = add more spare wires' >>>>>> rule, and >>>>>> > using >>>>>> > white wires & white wire trays in corners so they're invisible to >>>>>> the >>>>>> > landlord) >>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>> > Done: 6x wires from above-bathrooms to downstairs door: >>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: card access, doorbell >>>>>> > 2x cat5: outside front door camera and either >>>>>> inside front >>>>>> > door or street camera >>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: spare wires (both above cameras >>>>>> can be >>>>>> > put on 1x cat5 to allow another spare). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Done: 5x wires from server room to above-bathrooms: >>>>>> > 1x 22/4 wire: card access serial control, maybe >>>>>> patch to >>>>>> > fire panel >>>>>> > 2x cat5: to Sksp main network switch >>>>>> > 1x cat5: VGAoverCAT5 so projector can show security >>>>>> > cams/other video from VGA splitter >>>>>> > 1x cat5: 4x video feeds (2x front door, sksp2 >>>>>> door, spare) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > In progress: 3x wires from above-bathroom to end of classroom: >>>>>> > 1x cat5: was going to be for flag cameras but I >>>>>> may not >>>>>> > install this one now >>>>>> > 2x cat5: likely will connect back to main sksp >>>>>> switch >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Doorbell >>>>>> > ------------ >>>>>> > It works and causes an annoying sound to come from the box above the >>>>>> > bathrooms - later I'll wire it so the bell will always ring when >>>>>> the card >>>>>> > access >>>>>> > system's power is disconnected (may have enough battery power to >>>>>> last hours) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Cameras (old analog models running 12-24v power and video over cat5) >>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>> > 7: Both ends of the rear parking lot; back door (needs better >>>>>> mount); >>>>>> > elevator; >>>>>> > outside Sksp2 door; outside front door; and either inside front >>>>>> door or >>>>>> > street. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > A PC - either Zewwy's nice donated machine or the active card >>>>>> access PC - >>>>>> > running 2x analog 4-input cards (currently the crappy $10 ones that >>>>>> only do >>>>>> > 2 >>>>>> > FPS; possibly better ones later) and Zoneminder under Linux or >>>>>> BlueIris or >>>>>> > IspyConnect under Windows to capture video upon motion, also web >>>>>> viewing. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I bought a 1x4 VGA splitter from Monoprice and eBay VGAoverCAT5 >>>>>> adapters* >>>>>> > so that the view from the security PC can be sent to the >>>>>> currently-unused >>>>>> > second VGA inputs on the projectors and can be easily brought up. >>>>>> Of course >>>>>> > any other signal can be sent to the projectors this way for >>>>>> presentations >>>>>> > etc. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > *I got the cheap $1 units that just couple the cables; not the $100 >>>>>> units >>>>>> > that include >>>>>> > filters, converting the unbalanced signals to differential ones to >>>>>> work >>>>>> > better over >>>>>> > twisted pair, and skew correction. I'll do homemade skew correction >>>>>> by >>>>>> > calculating >>>>>> > the length of the cat5 and measuring some pairs a bit longer so >>>>>> they all >>>>>> > 'match' >>>>>> > electrically. The length ratios of different pairs in cat5 are at >>>>>> the end >>>>>> > of the wikip page. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Projectors >>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>> > Sksp lounge: I'm getting the same MP stand so it can be >>>>>> roof-mounted too >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Classroom: need to install wire guide to make power/VGA runs nicer. >>>>>> If the >>>>>> > power >>>>>> > outlet over the bathroom happens soon it can feed the projector >>>>>> instead of >>>>>> > having >>>>>> > an ugly wire run down the side of the classroom wall. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Both of these will have a line from the VGA splitter delivered over >>>>>> cat5, >>>>>> > as above. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Outside back wiring >>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>> > I installed a pipe in the back door frame so running wires is super >>>>>> easy. >>>>>> > Still >>>>>> > would be good to install a pipe or guy wire to allow a nicer run to >>>>>> top >>>>>> > level of >>>>>> > the fire escape and up to roof for later antennas (satellite, >>>>>> amateur >>>>>> > radio, etc). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Internet access and link to AW >>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>> > We're still dependent on the AW link for internet, VOI needs time to >>>>>> > install a >>>>>> > dedicated dish. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > We've had the hardware to upgrade the 10x4mbit AW link to >>>>>> 100x100mbit >>>>>> > since the beginning but it's quite a few hours to >>>>>> setup/configure/install. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Network Monitoring >>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>> > Having a Linux box running MRTG to show the traffic on all switch >>>>>> ports, >>>>>> > maybe >>>>>> > even local temperature and network rack power usage (measured at >>>>>> UPSes). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Doorbell and camera at outside loading dock door >>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>> > I'm considering this, does anything think it'll be useful? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Changing subnets >>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>> > Changing 192.168.1.x net to 172.16. would allow VPNing (from Linksys >>>>>> > routers etc). >>>>>> > Also maybe separate the 'sksp' and 'wifi / public / untrusted' on >>>>>> different >>>>>> > networks. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Card access fixes >>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>> > Would be nice to have a button upstairs to remote open downstairs >>>>>> door >>>>>> > (next to the sksp phone?) easy to do but need to run a wire there, >>>>>> or get >>>>>> > one >>>>>> > of those cheap ebay remote controls. Front door is missing a sensor >>>>>> that >>>>>> > lets the system know when the door is open because the door was >>>>>> closing >>>>>> > too tight against the frame for one to be installed (note hole in >>>>>> door), >>>>>> > fix soon. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Internal web page with links to all device web interfaces >>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>> > The one I did for AW is useful, will make one for Sksp one day >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Card access control PCs (both currently sitting in pieces) >>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs (I always want 2 units with identical h/w, for easy >>>>>> backup) >>>>>> > have had issues for awhile due to bad capacitors that are a bigger >>>>>> job to >>>>>> > replace. We didn't have any identical PCs around sksp that I could >>>>>> use so >>>>>> > Ian >>>>>> > donated an old pair... that were from around the same era and turn >>>>>> out to >>>>>> > also >>>>>> > have bad capacitors. But those are better engineered (IBM) and >>>>>> easier to >>>>>> > recap. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs have been partially recapped (mobos and PSUs) but >>>>>> once I >>>>>> > move to the IBMs they may appear in the pile of doom if anyone >>>>>> wants them. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > The fobs I've been giving out recently were PegJam ones that had >>>>>> been >>>>>> > activated when the PCs were still working... need to fix soon >>>>>> before I run >>>>>> > out. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Skullspace door: allowing landlord access and easy exit >>>>>> > --------- >>>>>> > I got a motion detector from eBay to allow auto-unlocking when >>>>>> > people get close to the door inside, but in the process of >>>>>> converting its >>>>>> > relay >>>>>> > from the positive terminal to connecting the negative terminal >>>>>> > I seem to have broken something since now it won't un-detect after >>>>>> boot. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Door access for landlord/staff without keyfob: may be possible to >>>>>> move the >>>>>> > current deadbolt to the "main" doorknob to make it work, but this is >>>>>> > far on my to-do list right now, or $500 to get done by a locksmith. >>>>>> > This would also allow exit without needing to push a button - >>>>>> preferable. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Another option people mentioned would be a keypad at the door that >>>>>> unlocks >>>>>> > the door - this is easy and cheap to do but I'd rather have the >>>>>> standard >>>>>> > key option. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Door remote control: would be nice to have; need to buy a copy of >>>>>> Kantech >>>>>> > Entrapass SE ($300, but I may be able to get a bit cheaper price). >>>>>> I got >>>>>> > an old version of that software (Winpass64 from 2001) for $15 off >>>>>> ebay to >>>>>> > try it out but that software was *garbage* (Win3.1 interface, some >>>>>> kind of >>>>>> > constant database layer concurrency issues, horrible/illogical >>>>>> design, etc.) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Hooking access control to fire alarm for auto-release: >>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>> > Should be easily doable, I'll need to check if I can do it or if we >>>>>> need >>>>>> > someone with a license to come in and do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>>> > Archive: >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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