There should be one else I'll donate one. On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is there a crimper, or do you usually bring your own? > On Mar 28, 2013 10:08 AM, "Colin Stanners" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There's lots of ends at Sksp, I'd welcome help running the cable, just >> need to go over the plan with you to make sure it's well-hidden. For the >> cables from the end of the classroom to above the bathrooms, white cable >> will be mostly hidden in the cracks between the roof boards using >> screwed-in zipties. >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Ken DeWitt < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I just need ends >>> On 2013-03-27 6:26 PM, "Ian Trump" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Correct. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 2013-03-27, at 18:15, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ian, >>>> >>>> I never brought up a cost or asked for money - the idea was that >>>> perhaps we could get the necessary cable run equipment as a donation, >>>> possibly from HSC. >>>> >>>> I thought that we can't expense anything to SkSp right now anyways, >>>> unless it's approved? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 27 March 2013 16:43, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Great Ken, way to step up very much appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just please be aware we have a minimal budget for this work. The >>>>> priority right now is to save for the needed electrical work and allow >>>>> Colin to complete his work on security and access control. I just >>>>> looked at our finances. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The club is at 41 full member equivalents, we need 52 full >>>>> member equivalents to be sustainable. We are loosing >>>>> -$460 approximately per month, I am not counting donations above a >>>>> 40.00 per full member equivalent, because they are donations - they >>>>> may go away at any moment. Interestingly food and beverage sales manage to >>>>> pay our monthly Hydro bill (more or less). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Current projections show "Death" on the 1'st of October 2014 if >>>>> things remained the same, which they won't and we would rally and not >>>>> letthat happen. That's 18 months to get 11 full member equivalentsand not >>>>> loose anyone along this way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When we get to 52 we can start looking at the nice to haves, right now >>>>> we must focus on the must haves. The 3D printer was deemed a must >>>>> have by the membership to attract more members. It was funded by the >>>>> membership outside of regular dues and donations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, please let's be very careful about incurring expenses, we are >>>>> very close to complete sustainability. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> PS; Donations of time and materials are so important to the club >>>>> bottom line that stuff has a huge impact, a box of cable or stuff like >>>>> that >>>>> keeps the "Day of Doom" far away. All of you who have put in sweatequity, >>>>> given equipment and "raw" IT material, >>>>> or made financial contributions above the 40.00 have really sustained >>>>> the club - on behalf of the board you have our sincere thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>>>> [email protected]] on behalf of Ken DeWitt [ >>>>> [email protected]] >>>>> *Sent:* March 27, 2013 16:23 >>>>> *To:* Skull Space Discussion List >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Skullspace2 Infrastructure >>>>> update: network, security, oh my! >>>>> >>>>> I can do all the wiring for the class room and comp areas. >>>>> On 2013-03-27 4:09 PM, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ian, >>>>>> >>>>>> We were talking about running cat5 cable to the classroom and >>>>>> computer work areas long before the security camera job came into full >>>>>> swing... >>>>>> >>>>>> In the past, people have demonstrated a desire for having a wired >>>>>> internet hookup in these places. It would be beneficial. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not telling Colin he needs to do it, I'm asking what we need to >>>>>> do to get the ball rolling to obtain the cable trays to start. Currently, >>>>>> we have cat5 wiring running to the electrical bench and lounge via >>>>>> hanging >>>>>> wires - something which your inspector friend brought up as a no-no. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we can all appreciate how hard Colin works for the group. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27 March 2013 15:42, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm going to ask why these drops are needed? Given all the other >>>>>>> things Colin is working on can we give this request a low priority? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the sake of Colin's sanity let's balance some of these >>>>>>> requests in terms of priority. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me put this another way. Until cameras and access control is >>>>>>> sorted out, would it not be reasonable to let him finish the jobs that >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> started? let's let him breath. Invoice his customers for the 100's of >>>>>>> side >>>>>>> jobs, etc he has completed over the past few months. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Colin is working flat out and trying to run a business lets let >>>>>>> him finish some jobs before asking more of the guy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2013-03-27, at 15:33, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is required to start getting proper cat5 network drops to >>>>>>> the classroom? Colin, you mentioned we needed some cable tray system... >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> can we contact to supply us with this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> High speed crow, perhaps? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 08:45, Colin Stanners <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is well in need of update for the new space... once I get the >>>>>>>> sksp wiki password from my old laptop (VNC not working, need to >>>>>>>> troubleshoot that) I'll put a notice on the page saying that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Ron <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you still maintaining the "Networking" wiki page? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27 02:22, Colin Stanners wrote: >>>>>>>>> > So that everyone knows what I'm working on and can give >>>>>>>>> advice/comments. >>>>>>>>> > (Also so that I don't forget the details of all these...) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Wiring (following the 'harder/longer job = add more spare wires' >>>>>>>>> rule, and >>>>>>>>> > using >>>>>>>>> > white wires & white wire trays in corners so they're invisible >>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>> > landlord) >>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>> > Done: 6x wires from above-bathrooms to downstairs door: >>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: card access, doorbell >>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: outside front door camera and either >>>>>>>>> inside front >>>>>>>>> > door or street camera >>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: spare wires (both above >>>>>>>>> cameras can be >>>>>>>>> > put on 1x cat5 to allow another spare). >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Done: 5x wires from server room to above-bathrooms: >>>>>>>>> > 1x 22/4 wire: card access serial control, maybe >>>>>>>>> patch to >>>>>>>>> > fire panel >>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: to Sksp main network switch >>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: VGAoverCAT5 so projector can show >>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>> > cams/other video from VGA splitter >>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: 4x video feeds (2x front door, sksp2 >>>>>>>>> door, spare) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > In progress: 3x wires from above-bathroom to end of >>>>>>>>> classroom: >>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: was going to be for flag cameras but I >>>>>>>>> may not >>>>>>>>> > install this one now >>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: likely will connect back to main sksp >>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Doorbell >>>>>>>>> > ------------ >>>>>>>>> > It works and causes an annoying sound to come from the box above >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> > bathrooms - later I'll wire it so the bell will always ring when >>>>>>>>> the card >>>>>>>>> > access >>>>>>>>> > system's power is disconnected (may have enough battery power to >>>>>>>>> last hours) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Cameras (old analog models running 12-24v power and video over >>>>>>>>> cat5) >>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>> > 7: Both ends of the rear parking lot; back door (needs better >>>>>>>>> mount); >>>>>>>>> > elevator; >>>>>>>>> > outside Sksp2 door; outside front door; and either inside front >>>>>>>>> door or >>>>>>>>> > street. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > A PC - either Zewwy's nice donated machine or the active card >>>>>>>>> access PC - >>>>>>>>> > running 2x analog 4-input cards (currently the crappy $10 ones >>>>>>>>> that only do >>>>>>>>> > 2 >>>>>>>>> > FPS; possibly better ones later) and Zoneminder under Linux or >>>>>>>>> BlueIris or >>>>>>>>> > IspyConnect under Windows to capture video upon motion, also web >>>>>>>>> viewing. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I bought a 1x4 VGA splitter from Monoprice and eBay VGAoverCAT5 >>>>>>>>> adapters* >>>>>>>>> > so that the view from the security PC can be sent to the >>>>>>>>> currently-unused >>>>>>>>> > second VGA inputs on the projectors and can be easily brought >>>>>>>>> up. Of course >>>>>>>>> > any other signal can be sent to the projectors this way for >>>>>>>>> presentations >>>>>>>>> > etc. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > *I got the cheap $1 units that just couple the cables; not the >>>>>>>>> $100 units >>>>>>>>> > that include >>>>>>>>> > filters, converting the unbalanced signals to differential ones >>>>>>>>> to work >>>>>>>>> > better over >>>>>>>>> > twisted pair, and skew correction. I'll do homemade skew >>>>>>>>> correction by >>>>>>>>> > calculating >>>>>>>>> > the length of the cat5 and measuring some pairs a bit longer so >>>>>>>>> they all >>>>>>>>> > 'match' >>>>>>>>> > electrically. The length ratios of different pairs in cat5 are >>>>>>>>> at the end >>>>>>>>> > of the wikip page. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Projectors >>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>> > Sksp lounge: I'm getting the same MP stand so it can be >>>>>>>>> roof-mounted too >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Classroom: need to install wire guide to make power/VGA runs >>>>>>>>> nicer. If the >>>>>>>>> > power >>>>>>>>> > outlet over the bathroom happens soon it can feed the projector >>>>>>>>> instead of >>>>>>>>> > having >>>>>>>>> > an ugly wire run down the side of the classroom wall. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Both of these will have a line from the VGA splitter delivered >>>>>>>>> over cat5, >>>>>>>>> > as above. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Outside back wiring >>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>> > I installed a pipe in the back door frame so running wires is >>>>>>>>> super easy. >>>>>>>>> > Still >>>>>>>>> > would be good to install a pipe or guy wire to allow a nicer run >>>>>>>>> to top >>>>>>>>> > level of >>>>>>>>> > the fire escape and up to roof for later antennas (satellite, >>>>>>>>> amateur >>>>>>>>> > radio, etc). >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Internet access and link to AW >>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>> > We're still dependent on the AW link for internet, VOI needs >>>>>>>>> time to >>>>>>>>> > install a >>>>>>>>> > dedicated dish. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > We've had the hardware to upgrade the 10x4mbit AW link to >>>>>>>>> 100x100mbit >>>>>>>>> > since the beginning but it's quite a few hours to >>>>>>>>> setup/configure/install. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Network Monitoring >>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>> > Having a Linux box running MRTG to show the traffic on all >>>>>>>>> switch ports, >>>>>>>>> > maybe >>>>>>>>> > even local temperature and network rack power usage (measured at >>>>>>>>> UPSes). >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Doorbell and camera at outside loading dock door >>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>> > I'm considering this, does anything think it'll be useful? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Changing subnets >>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>> > Changing 192.168.1.x net to 172.16. would allow VPNing (from >>>>>>>>> Linksys >>>>>>>>> > routers etc). >>>>>>>>> > Also maybe separate the 'sksp' and 'wifi / public / untrusted' >>>>>>>>> on different >>>>>>>>> > networks. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Card access fixes >>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>> > Would be nice to have a button upstairs to remote open >>>>>>>>> downstairs door >>>>>>>>> > (next to the sksp phone?) easy to do but need to run a wire >>>>>>>>> there, or get >>>>>>>>> > one >>>>>>>>> > of those cheap ebay remote controls. Front door is missing a >>>>>>>>> sensor that >>>>>>>>> > lets the system know when the door is open because the door was >>>>>>>>> closing >>>>>>>>> > too tight against the frame for one to be installed (note hole >>>>>>>>> in door), >>>>>>>>> > fix soon. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Internal web page with links to all device web interfaces >>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>> > The one I did for AW is useful, will make one for Sksp one day >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Card access control PCs (both currently sitting in pieces) >>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs (I always want 2 units with identical h/w, for >>>>>>>>> easy backup) >>>>>>>>> > have had issues for awhile due to bad capacitors that are a >>>>>>>>> bigger job to >>>>>>>>> > replace. We didn't have any identical PCs around sksp that I >>>>>>>>> could use so >>>>>>>>> > Ian >>>>>>>>> > donated an old pair... that were from around the same era and >>>>>>>>> turn out to >>>>>>>>> > also >>>>>>>>> > have bad capacitors. But those are better engineered (IBM) and >>>>>>>>> easier to >>>>>>>>> > recap. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs have been partially recapped (mobos and PSUs) >>>>>>>>> but once I >>>>>>>>> > move to the IBMs they may appear in the pile of doom if anyone >>>>>>>>> wants them. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > The fobs I've been giving out recently were PegJam ones that had >>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> > activated when the PCs were still working... need to fix soon >>>>>>>>> before I run >>>>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Skullspace door: allowing landlord access and easy exit >>>>>>>>> > --------- >>>>>>>>> > I got a motion detector from eBay to allow auto-unlocking when >>>>>>>>> > people get close to the door inside, but in the process of >>>>>>>>> converting its >>>>>>>>> > relay >>>>>>>>> > from the positive terminal to connecting the negative terminal >>>>>>>>> > I seem to have broken something since now it won't un-detect >>>>>>>>> after boot. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Door access for landlord/staff without keyfob: may be possible >>>>>>>>> to move the >>>>>>>>> > current deadbolt to the "main" doorknob to make it work, but >>>>>>>>> this is >>>>>>>>> > far on my to-do list right now, or $500 to get done by a >>>>>>>>> locksmith. >>>>>>>>> > This would also allow exit without needing to push a button - >>>>>>>>> preferable. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Another option people mentioned would be a keypad at the door >>>>>>>>> that unlocks >>>>>>>>> > the door - this is easy and cheap to do but I'd rather have the >>>>>>>>> standard >>>>>>>>> > key option. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Door remote control: would be nice to have; need to buy a copy >>>>>>>>> of Kantech >>>>>>>>> > Entrapass SE ($300, but I may be able to get a bit cheaper >>>>>>>>> price). 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