Most of the cable being run needs to be white. We already have the cable needed for the classroom-abovebathrooms job from Ben (I almost used up his whole 1000ft box - leaving the rest because he needed to use some - I'll be buying more white cable at Itech).
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Ken DeWitt < [email protected]> wrote: > Reading this discussion has made me realize that the box of cable I have > is not the right color. Would it be problem if the cable I am using at the > space is going to be blue. Also Colin when you are finished with > installing the security camera and other things please let me know so I can > figure out what is left from the cable skull space has. > > -- > > Any question or comments you can email or call me at any time. > I will get back to you as fast as I can. > > Thank you and have a nice day!! > > Ken DeWitt > Your Fellow Tech. Guy > > Phone # : 204-998-3218 > Email: kendewitt@y <[email protected]>ftg.ca > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]>wrote: > >> There should be one else I'll donate one. >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Is there a crimper, or do you usually bring your own? >>> On Mar 28, 2013 10:08 AM, "Colin Stanners" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> There's lots of ends at Sksp, I'd welcome help running the cable, just >>>> need to go over the plan with you to make sure it's well-hidden. For the >>>> cables from the end of the classroom to above the bathrooms, white cable >>>> will be mostly hidden in the cracks between the roof boards using >>>> screwed-in zipties. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Ken DeWitt < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just need ends >>>>> On 2013-03-27 6:26 PM, "Ian Trump" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Correct. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-03-27, at 18:15, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian, >>>>>> >>>>>> I never brought up a cost or asked for money - the idea was that >>>>>> perhaps we could get the necessary cable run equipment as a donation, >>>>>> possibly from HSC. >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought that we can't expense anything to SkSp right now anyways, >>>>>> unless it's approved? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27 March 2013 16:43, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Great Ken, way to step up very much appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just please be aware we have a minimal budget for this work. The >>>>>>> priority right now is to save for the needed electrical work and allow >>>>>>> Colin to complete his work on security and access control. I just >>>>>>> looked at our finances. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The club is at 41 full member equivalents, we need 52 full >>>>>>> member equivalents to be sustainable. We are loosing >>>>>>> -$460 approximately per month, I am not counting donations above a >>>>>>> 40.00 per full member equivalent, because they are donations - they >>>>>>> may go away at any moment. Interestingly food and beverage sales manage >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> pay our monthly Hydro bill (more or less). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Current projections show "Death" on the 1'st of October 2014 if >>>>>>> things remained the same, which they won't and we would rally and not >>>>>>> letthat happen. That's 18 months to get 11 full member equivalentsand >>>>>>> not loose anyone along this way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When we get to 52 we can start looking at the nice to haves, right >>>>>>> now we must focus on the must haves. The 3D printer was deemed a >>>>>>> must have by the membership to attract more members. It was funded by >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> membership outside of regular dues and donations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, please let's be very careful about incurring expenses, we are >>>>>>> very close to complete sustainability. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PS; Donations of time and materials are so important to the club >>>>>>> bottom line that stuff has a huge impact, a box of cable or stuff like >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> keeps the "Day of Doom" far away. All of you who have put in >>>>>>> sweatequity, given equipment and "raw" IT material, >>>>>>> or made financial contributions above the 40.00 have really >>>>>>> sustained the club - on behalf of the board you have our sincere thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>>>>>> [email protected]] on behalf of Ken DeWitt [ >>>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>>> *Sent:* March 27, 2013 16:23 >>>>>>> *To:* Skull Space Discussion List >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Skullspace2 Infrastructure >>>>>>> update: network, security, oh my! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can do all the wiring for the class room and comp areas. >>>>>>> On 2013-03-27 4:09 PM, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We were talking about running cat5 cable to the classroom and >>>>>>>> computer work areas long before the security camera job came into full >>>>>>>> swing... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the past, people have demonstrated a desire for having a wired >>>>>>>> internet hookup in these places. It would be beneficial. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not telling Colin he needs to do it, I'm asking what we need >>>>>>>> to do to get the ball rolling to obtain the cable trays to start. >>>>>>>> Currently, we have cat5 wiring running to the electrical bench and >>>>>>>> lounge >>>>>>>> via hanging wires - something which your inspector friend brought up >>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>> no-no. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think we can all appreciate how hard Colin works for the group. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 15:42, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm going to ask why these drops are needed? Given all the other >>>>>>>>> things Colin is working on can we give this request a low priority? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For the sake of Colin's sanity let's balance some of these >>>>>>>>> requests in terms of priority. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me put this another way. Until cameras and access control is >>>>>>>>> sorted out, would it not be reasonable to let him finish the jobs >>>>>>>>> that are >>>>>>>>> started? let's let him breath. Invoice his customers for the 100's of >>>>>>>>> side >>>>>>>>> jobs, etc he has completed over the past few months. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Colin is working flat out and trying to run a business lets let >>>>>>>>> him finish some jobs before asking more of the guy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27, at 15:33, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is required to start getting proper cat5 network drops to >>>>>>>>> the classroom? Colin, you mentioned we needed some cable tray >>>>>>>>> system... who >>>>>>>>> can we contact to supply us with this? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> High speed crow, perhaps? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 08:45, Colin Stanners <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That is well in need of update for the new space... once I get >>>>>>>>>> the sksp wiki password from my old laptop (VNC not working, need to >>>>>>>>>> troubleshoot that) I'll put a notice on the page saying that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Ron <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you still maintaining the "Networking" wiki page? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27 02:22, Colin Stanners wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > So that everyone knows what I'm working on and can give >>>>>>>>>>> advice/comments. >>>>>>>>>>> > (Also so that I don't forget the details of all these...) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Wiring (following the 'harder/longer job = add more spare >>>>>>>>>>> wires' rule, and >>>>>>>>>>> > using >>>>>>>>>>> > white wires & white wire trays in corners so they're invisible >>>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>> > landlord) >>>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>>> > Done: 6x wires from above-bathrooms to downstairs door: >>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: card access, doorbell >>>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: outside front door camera and either >>>>>>>>>>> inside front >>>>>>>>>>> > door or street camera >>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: spare wires (both above >>>>>>>>>>> cameras can be >>>>>>>>>>> > put on 1x cat5 to allow another spare). >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Done: 5x wires from server room to above-bathrooms: >>>>>>>>>>> > 1x 22/4 wire: card access serial control, >>>>>>>>>>> maybe patch to >>>>>>>>>>> > fire panel >>>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: to Sksp main network switch >>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: VGAoverCAT5 so projector can show >>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>> > cams/other video from VGA splitter >>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: 4x video feeds (2x front door, sksp2 >>>>>>>>>>> door, spare) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > In progress: 3x wires from above-bathroom to end of >>>>>>>>>>> classroom: >>>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: was going to be for flag cameras but >>>>>>>>>>> I may not >>>>>>>>>>> > install this one now >>>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: likely will connect back to main >>>>>>>>>>> sksp switch >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Doorbell >>>>>>>>>>> > ------------ >>>>>>>>>>> > It works and causes an annoying sound to come from the box >>>>>>>>>>> above the >>>>>>>>>>> > bathrooms - later I'll wire it so the bell will always ring >>>>>>>>>>> when the card >>>>>>>>>>> > access >>>>>>>>>>> > system's power is disconnected (may have enough battery power >>>>>>>>>>> to last hours) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Cameras (old analog models running 12-24v power and video over >>>>>>>>>>> cat5) >>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>> > 7: Both ends of the rear parking lot; back door (needs better >>>>>>>>>>> mount); >>>>>>>>>>> > elevator; >>>>>>>>>>> > outside Sksp2 door; outside front door; and either inside >>>>>>>>>>> front door or >>>>>>>>>>> > street. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > A PC - either Zewwy's nice donated machine or the active card >>>>>>>>>>> access PC - >>>>>>>>>>> > running 2x analog 4-input cards (currently the crappy $10 ones >>>>>>>>>>> that only do >>>>>>>>>>> > 2 >>>>>>>>>>> > FPS; possibly better ones later) and Zoneminder under Linux or >>>>>>>>>>> BlueIris or >>>>>>>>>>> > IspyConnect under Windows to capture video upon motion, also >>>>>>>>>>> web viewing. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I bought a 1x4 VGA splitter from Monoprice and eBay >>>>>>>>>>> VGAoverCAT5 adapters* >>>>>>>>>>> > so that the view from the security PC can be sent to the >>>>>>>>>>> currently-unused >>>>>>>>>>> > second VGA inputs on the projectors and can be easily brought >>>>>>>>>>> up. Of course >>>>>>>>>>> > any other signal can be sent to the projectors this way for >>>>>>>>>>> presentations >>>>>>>>>>> > etc. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > *I got the cheap $1 units that just couple the cables; not the >>>>>>>>>>> $100 units >>>>>>>>>>> > that include >>>>>>>>>>> > filters, converting the unbalanced signals to differential >>>>>>>>>>> ones to work >>>>>>>>>>> > better over >>>>>>>>>>> > twisted pair, and skew correction. I'll do homemade skew >>>>>>>>>>> correction by >>>>>>>>>>> > calculating >>>>>>>>>>> > the length of the cat5 and measuring some pairs a bit longer >>>>>>>>>>> so they all >>>>>>>>>>> > 'match' >>>>>>>>>>> > electrically. The length ratios of different pairs in cat5 are >>>>>>>>>>> at the end >>>>>>>>>>> > of the wikip page. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Projectors >>>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>>> > Sksp lounge: I'm getting the same MP stand so it can be >>>>>>>>>>> roof-mounted too >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Classroom: need to install wire guide to make power/VGA runs >>>>>>>>>>> nicer. If the >>>>>>>>>>> > power >>>>>>>>>>> > outlet over the bathroom happens soon it can feed the >>>>>>>>>>> projector instead of >>>>>>>>>>> > having >>>>>>>>>>> > an ugly wire run down the side of the classroom wall. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Both of these will have a line from the VGA splitter delivered >>>>>>>>>>> over cat5, >>>>>>>>>>> > as above. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Outside back wiring >>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>> > I installed a pipe in the back door frame so running wires is >>>>>>>>>>> super easy. >>>>>>>>>>> > Still >>>>>>>>>>> > would be good to install a pipe or guy wire to allow a nicer >>>>>>>>>>> run to top >>>>>>>>>>> > level of >>>>>>>>>>> > the fire escape and up to roof for later antennas (satellite, >>>>>>>>>>> amateur >>>>>>>>>>> > radio, etc). >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Internet access and link to AW >>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>> > We're still dependent on the AW link for internet, VOI needs >>>>>>>>>>> time to >>>>>>>>>>> > install a >>>>>>>>>>> > dedicated dish. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > We've had the hardware to upgrade the 10x4mbit AW link to >>>>>>>>>>> 100x100mbit >>>>>>>>>>> > since the beginning but it's quite a few hours to >>>>>>>>>>> setup/configure/install. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Network Monitoring >>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>> > Having a Linux box running MRTG to show the traffic on all >>>>>>>>>>> switch ports, >>>>>>>>>>> > maybe >>>>>>>>>>> > even local temperature and network rack power usage (measured >>>>>>>>>>> at UPSes). >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Doorbell and camera at outside loading dock door >>>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>>> > I'm considering this, does anything think it'll be useful? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Changing subnets >>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>> > Changing 192.168.1.x net to 172.16. would allow VPNing (from >>>>>>>>>>> Linksys >>>>>>>>>>> > routers etc). >>>>>>>>>>> > Also maybe separate the 'sksp' and 'wifi / public / untrusted' >>>>>>>>>>> on different >>>>>>>>>>> > networks. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Card access fixes >>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>> > Would be nice to have a button upstairs to remote open >>>>>>>>>>> downstairs door >>>>>>>>>>> > (next to the sksp phone?) easy to do but need to run a wire >>>>>>>>>>> there, or get >>>>>>>>>>> > one >>>>>>>>>>> > of those cheap ebay remote controls. Front door is missing a >>>>>>>>>>> sensor that >>>>>>>>>>> > lets the system know when the door is open because the door >>>>>>>>>>> was closing >>>>>>>>>>> > too tight against the frame for one to be installed (note hole >>>>>>>>>>> in door), >>>>>>>>>>> > fix soon. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Internal web page with links to all device web interfaces >>>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>>> > The one I did for AW is useful, will make one for Sksp one day >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Card access control PCs (both currently sitting in pieces) >>>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs (I always want 2 units with identical h/w, for >>>>>>>>>>> easy backup) >>>>>>>>>>> > have had issues for awhile due to bad capacitors that are a >>>>>>>>>>> bigger job to >>>>>>>>>>> > replace. We didn't have any identical PCs around sksp that I >>>>>>>>>>> could use so >>>>>>>>>>> > Ian >>>>>>>>>>> > donated an old pair... that were from around the same era and >>>>>>>>>>> turn out to >>>>>>>>>>> > also >>>>>>>>>>> > have bad capacitors. But those are better engineered (IBM) and >>>>>>>>>>> easier to >>>>>>>>>>> > recap. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs have been partially recapped (mobos and PSUs) >>>>>>>>>>> but once I >>>>>>>>>>> > move to the IBMs they may appear in the pile of doom if anyone >>>>>>>>>>> wants them. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > The fobs I've been giving out recently were PegJam ones that >>>>>>>>>>> had been >>>>>>>>>>> > activated when the PCs were still working... need to fix soon >>>>>>>>>>> before I run >>>>>>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Skullspace door: allowing landlord access and easy exit >>>>>>>>>>> > --------- >>>>>>>>>>> > I got a motion detector from eBay to allow auto-unlocking when >>>>>>>>>>> > people get close to the door inside, but in the process of >>>>>>>>>>> converting its >>>>>>>>>>> > relay >>>>>>>>>>> > from the positive terminal to connecting the negative terminal >>>>>>>>>>> > I seem to have broken something since now it won't un-detect >>>>>>>>>>> after boot. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Door access for landlord/staff without keyfob: may be possible >>>>>>>>>>> to move the >>>>>>>>>>> > current deadbolt to the "main" doorknob to make it work, but >>>>>>>>>>> this is >>>>>>>>>>> > far on my to-do list right now, or $500 to get done by a >>>>>>>>>>> locksmith. >>>>>>>>>>> > This would also allow exit without needing to push a button - >>>>>>>>>>> preferable. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Another option people mentioned would be a keypad at the door >>>>>>>>>>> that unlocks >>>>>>>>>>> > the door - this is easy and cheap to do but I'd rather have >>>>>>>>>>> the standard >>>>>>>>>>> > key option. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Door remote control: would be nice to have; need to buy a copy >>>>>>>>>>> of Kantech >>>>>>>>>>> > Entrapass SE ($300, but I may be able to get a bit cheaper >>>>>>>>>>> price). 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