Reading this discussion has made me realize that the box of cable I have is not the right color. Would it be problem if the cable I am using at the space is going to be blue. Also Colin when you are finished with installing the security camera and other things please let me know so I can figure out what is left from the cable skull space has.
-- Any question or comments you can email or call me at any time. I will get back to you as fast as I can. Thank you and have a nice day!! Ken DeWitt Your Fellow Tech. Guy Phone # : 204-998-3218 Email: kendewitt@y <[email protected]>ftg.ca On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]>wrote: > There should be one else I'll donate one. > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Is there a crimper, or do you usually bring your own? >> On Mar 28, 2013 10:08 AM, "Colin Stanners" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> There's lots of ends at Sksp, I'd welcome help running the cable, just >>> need to go over the plan with you to make sure it's well-hidden. For the >>> cables from the end of the classroom to above the bathrooms, white cable >>> will be mostly hidden in the cracks between the roof boards using >>> screwed-in zipties. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Ken DeWitt < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I just need ends >>>> On 2013-03-27 6:26 PM, "Ian Trump" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Correct. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-03-27, at 18:15, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ian, >>>>> >>>>> I never brought up a cost or asked for money - the idea was that >>>>> perhaps we could get the necessary cable run equipment as a donation, >>>>> possibly from HSC. >>>>> >>>>> I thought that we can't expense anything to SkSp right now anyways, >>>>> unless it's approved? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 27 March 2013 16:43, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Great Ken, way to step up very much appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Just please be aware we have a minimal budget for this work. The >>>>>> priority right now is to save for the needed electrical work and allow >>>>>> Colin to complete his work on security and access control. I just >>>>>> looked at our finances. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The club is at 41 full member equivalents, we need 52 full >>>>>> member equivalents to be sustainable. We are loosing >>>>>> -$460 approximately per month, I am not counting donations above a >>>>>> 40.00 per full member equivalent, because they are donations - they >>>>>> may go away at any moment. Interestingly food and beverage sales manage >>>>>> to >>>>>> pay our monthly Hydro bill (more or less). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Current projections show "Death" on the 1'st of October 2014 if >>>>>> things remained the same, which they won't and we would rally and not >>>>>> letthat happen. That's 18 months to get 11 full member equivalentsand >>>>>> not loose anyone along this way. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> When we get to 52 we can start looking at the nice to haves, right >>>>>> now we must focus on the must haves. The 3D printer was deemed a >>>>>> must have by the membership to attract more members. It was funded by the >>>>>> membership outside of regular dues and donations. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So, please let's be very careful about incurring expenses, we are >>>>>> very close to complete sustainability. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> PS; Donations of time and materials are so important to the club >>>>>> bottom line that stuff has a huge impact, a box of cable or stuff like >>>>>> that >>>>>> keeps the "Day of Doom" far away. All of you who have put in >>>>>> sweatequity, given equipment and "raw" IT material, >>>>>> or made financial contributions above the 40.00 have really >>>>>> sustained the club - on behalf of the board you have our sincere thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [ >>>>>> [email protected]] on behalf of Ken DeWitt [ >>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>> *Sent:* March 27, 2013 16:23 >>>>>> *To:* Skull Space Discussion List >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Skullspace2 Infrastructure >>>>>> update: network, security, oh my! >>>>>> >>>>>> I can do all the wiring for the class room and comp areas. >>>>>> On 2013-03-27 4:09 PM, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We were talking about running cat5 cable to the classroom and >>>>>>> computer work areas long before the security camera job came into full >>>>>>> swing... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the past, people have demonstrated a desire for having a wired >>>>>>> internet hookup in these places. It would be beneficial. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not telling Colin he needs to do it, I'm asking what we need >>>>>>> to do to get the ball rolling to obtain the cable trays to start. >>>>>>> Currently, we have cat5 wiring running to the electrical bench and >>>>>>> lounge >>>>>>> via hanging wires - something which your inspector friend brought up as >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> no-no. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we can all appreciate how hard Colin works for the group. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 15:42, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm going to ask why these drops are needed? Given all the other >>>>>>>> things Colin is working on can we give this request a low priority? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For the sake of Colin's sanity let's balance some of these >>>>>>>> requests in terms of priority. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me put this another way. Until cameras and access control is >>>>>>>> sorted out, would it not be reasonable to let him finish the jobs that >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> started? let's let him breath. Invoice his customers for the 100's of >>>>>>>> side >>>>>>>> jobs, etc he has completed over the past few months. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Colin is working flat out and trying to run a business lets let >>>>>>>> him finish some jobs before asking more of the guy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27, at 15:33, "Justin Lacko" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is required to start getting proper cat5 network drops to >>>>>>>> the classroom? Colin, you mentioned we needed some cable tray >>>>>>>> system... who >>>>>>>> can we contact to supply us with this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> High speed crow, perhaps? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 March 2013 08:45, Colin Stanners <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is well in need of update for the new space... once I get the >>>>>>>>> sksp wiki password from my old laptop (VNC not working, need to >>>>>>>>> troubleshoot that) I'll put a notice on the page saying that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Ron <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you still maintaining the "Networking" wiki page? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2013-03-27 02:22, Colin Stanners wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > So that everyone knows what I'm working on and can give >>>>>>>>>> advice/comments. >>>>>>>>>> > (Also so that I don't forget the details of all these...) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Wiring (following the 'harder/longer job = add more spare >>>>>>>>>> wires' rule, and >>>>>>>>>> > using >>>>>>>>>> > white wires & white wire trays in corners so they're invisible >>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>> > landlord) >>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>> > Done: 6x wires from above-bathrooms to downstairs door: >>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: card access, doorbell >>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: outside front door camera and either >>>>>>>>>> inside front >>>>>>>>>> > door or street camera >>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5 + 1x 18/2: spare wires (both above >>>>>>>>>> cameras can be >>>>>>>>>> > put on 1x cat5 to allow another spare). >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Done: 5x wires from server room to above-bathrooms: >>>>>>>>>> > 1x 22/4 wire: card access serial control, >>>>>>>>>> maybe patch to >>>>>>>>>> > fire panel >>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: to Sksp main network switch >>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: VGAoverCAT5 so projector can show >>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>> > cams/other video from VGA splitter >>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: 4x video feeds (2x front door, sksp2 >>>>>>>>>> door, spare) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > In progress: 3x wires from above-bathroom to end of >>>>>>>>>> classroom: >>>>>>>>>> > 1x cat5: was going to be for flag cameras but >>>>>>>>>> I may not >>>>>>>>>> > install this one now >>>>>>>>>> > 2x cat5: likely will connect back to main sksp >>>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Doorbell >>>>>>>>>> > ------------ >>>>>>>>>> > It works and causes an annoying sound to come from the box >>>>>>>>>> above the >>>>>>>>>> > bathrooms - later I'll wire it so the bell will always ring >>>>>>>>>> when the card >>>>>>>>>> > access >>>>>>>>>> > system's power is disconnected (may have enough battery power >>>>>>>>>> to last hours) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Cameras (old analog models running 12-24v power and video over >>>>>>>>>> cat5) >>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>> > 7: Both ends of the rear parking lot; back door (needs better >>>>>>>>>> mount); >>>>>>>>>> > elevator; >>>>>>>>>> > outside Sksp2 door; outside front door; and either inside front >>>>>>>>>> door or >>>>>>>>>> > street. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > A PC - either Zewwy's nice donated machine or the active card >>>>>>>>>> access PC - >>>>>>>>>> > running 2x analog 4-input cards (currently the crappy $10 ones >>>>>>>>>> that only do >>>>>>>>>> > 2 >>>>>>>>>> > FPS; possibly better ones later) and Zoneminder under Linux or >>>>>>>>>> BlueIris or >>>>>>>>>> > IspyConnect under Windows to capture video upon motion, also >>>>>>>>>> web viewing. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > I bought a 1x4 VGA splitter from Monoprice and eBay VGAoverCAT5 >>>>>>>>>> adapters* >>>>>>>>>> > so that the view from the security PC can be sent to the >>>>>>>>>> currently-unused >>>>>>>>>> > second VGA inputs on the projectors and can be easily brought >>>>>>>>>> up. Of course >>>>>>>>>> > any other signal can be sent to the projectors this way for >>>>>>>>>> presentations >>>>>>>>>> > etc. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > *I got the cheap $1 units that just couple the cables; not the >>>>>>>>>> $100 units >>>>>>>>>> > that include >>>>>>>>>> > filters, converting the unbalanced signals to differential ones >>>>>>>>>> to work >>>>>>>>>> > better over >>>>>>>>>> > twisted pair, and skew correction. I'll do homemade skew >>>>>>>>>> correction by >>>>>>>>>> > calculating >>>>>>>>>> > the length of the cat5 and measuring some pairs a bit longer so >>>>>>>>>> they all >>>>>>>>>> > 'match' >>>>>>>>>> > electrically. The length ratios of different pairs in cat5 are >>>>>>>>>> at the end >>>>>>>>>> > of the wikip page. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Projectors >>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>> > Sksp lounge: I'm getting the same MP stand so it can be >>>>>>>>>> roof-mounted too >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Classroom: need to install wire guide to make power/VGA runs >>>>>>>>>> nicer. If the >>>>>>>>>> > power >>>>>>>>>> > outlet over the bathroom happens soon it can feed the projector >>>>>>>>>> instead of >>>>>>>>>> > having >>>>>>>>>> > an ugly wire run down the side of the classroom wall. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Both of these will have a line from the VGA splitter delivered >>>>>>>>>> over cat5, >>>>>>>>>> > as above. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Outside back wiring >>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>> > I installed a pipe in the back door frame so running wires is >>>>>>>>>> super easy. >>>>>>>>>> > Still >>>>>>>>>> > would be good to install a pipe or guy wire to allow a nicer >>>>>>>>>> run to top >>>>>>>>>> > level of >>>>>>>>>> > the fire escape and up to roof for later antennas (satellite, >>>>>>>>>> amateur >>>>>>>>>> > radio, etc). >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Internet access and link to AW >>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>> > We're still dependent on the AW link for internet, VOI needs >>>>>>>>>> time to >>>>>>>>>> > install a >>>>>>>>>> > dedicated dish. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > We've had the hardware to upgrade the 10x4mbit AW link to >>>>>>>>>> 100x100mbit >>>>>>>>>> > since the beginning but it's quite a few hours to >>>>>>>>>> setup/configure/install. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Network Monitoring >>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>> > Having a Linux box running MRTG to show the traffic on all >>>>>>>>>> switch ports, >>>>>>>>>> > maybe >>>>>>>>>> > even local temperature and network rack power usage (measured >>>>>>>>>> at UPSes). >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Doorbell and camera at outside loading dock door >>>>>>>>>> > ---------- >>>>>>>>>> > I'm considering this, does anything think it'll be useful? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Changing subnets >>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>> > Changing 192.168.1.x net to 172.16. would allow VPNing (from >>>>>>>>>> Linksys >>>>>>>>>> > routers etc). >>>>>>>>>> > Also maybe separate the 'sksp' and 'wifi / public / untrusted' >>>>>>>>>> on different >>>>>>>>>> > networks. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Card access fixes >>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>> > Would be nice to have a button upstairs to remote open >>>>>>>>>> downstairs door >>>>>>>>>> > (next to the sksp phone?) easy to do but need to run a wire >>>>>>>>>> there, or get >>>>>>>>>> > one >>>>>>>>>> > of those cheap ebay remote controls. Front door is missing a >>>>>>>>>> sensor that >>>>>>>>>> > lets the system know when the door is open because the door was >>>>>>>>>> closing >>>>>>>>>> > too tight against the frame for one to be installed (note hole >>>>>>>>>> in door), >>>>>>>>>> > fix soon. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Internal web page with links to all device web interfaces >>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>> > The one I did for AW is useful, will make one for Sksp one day >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Card access control PCs (both currently sitting in pieces) >>>>>>>>>> > ----------- >>>>>>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs (I always want 2 units with identical h/w, for >>>>>>>>>> easy backup) >>>>>>>>>> > have had issues for awhile due to bad capacitors that are a >>>>>>>>>> bigger job to >>>>>>>>>> > replace. We didn't have any identical PCs around sksp that I >>>>>>>>>> could use so >>>>>>>>>> > Ian >>>>>>>>>> > donated an old pair... that were from around the same era and >>>>>>>>>> turn out to >>>>>>>>>> > also >>>>>>>>>> > have bad capacitors. But those are better engineered (IBM) and >>>>>>>>>> easier to >>>>>>>>>> > recap. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > The Shuttle PCs have been partially recapped (mobos and PSUs) >>>>>>>>>> but once I >>>>>>>>>> > move to the IBMs they may appear in the pile of doom if anyone >>>>>>>>>> wants them. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > The fobs I've been giving out recently were PegJam ones that >>>>>>>>>> had been >>>>>>>>>> > activated when the PCs were still working... need to fix soon >>>>>>>>>> before I run >>>>>>>>>> > out. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Skullspace door: allowing landlord access and easy exit >>>>>>>>>> > --------- >>>>>>>>>> > I got a motion detector from eBay to allow auto-unlocking when >>>>>>>>>> > people get close to the door inside, but in the process of >>>>>>>>>> converting its >>>>>>>>>> > relay >>>>>>>>>> > from the positive terminal to connecting the negative terminal >>>>>>>>>> > I seem to have broken something since now it won't un-detect >>>>>>>>>> after boot. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Door access for landlord/staff without keyfob: may be possible >>>>>>>>>> to move the >>>>>>>>>> > current deadbolt to the "main" doorknob to make it work, but >>>>>>>>>> this is >>>>>>>>>> > far on my to-do list right now, or $500 to get done by a >>>>>>>>>> locksmith. >>>>>>>>>> > This would also allow exit without needing to push a button - >>>>>>>>>> preferable. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Another option people mentioned would be a keypad at the door >>>>>>>>>> that unlocks >>>>>>>>>> > the door - this is easy and cheap to do but I'd rather have the >>>>>>>>>> standard >>>>>>>>>> > key option. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Door remote control: would be nice to have; need to buy a copy >>>>>>>>>> of Kantech >>>>>>>>>> > Entrapass SE ($300, but I may be able to get a bit cheaper >>>>>>>>>> price). I got >>>>>>>>>> > an old version of that software (Winpass64 from 2001) for $15 >>>>>>>>>> off ebay to >>>>>>>>>> > try it out but that software was *garbage* (Win3.1 interface, >>>>>>>>>> some kind of >>>>>>>>>> > constant database layer concurrency issues, horrible/illogical >>>>>>>>>> design, etc.) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Hooking access control to fire alarm for auto-release: >>>>>>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>>>>>> > Should be easily doable, I'll need to check if I can do it or >>>>>>>>>> if we need >>>>>>>>>> > someone with a license to come in and do it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>>>>>>> > Help: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>>>>>>> > Archive: >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>>>>>>> Help: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>>>>>>> Archive: >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>>>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>>>>>> Archive: >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>>>>> Archive: >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>>>>> Archive: >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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